not condoning animal abuse but wrote:
I hope this isn't all the results of the "punch." Have you seen it? It woud be like if I flicked my son's wrist and was called a child abuser.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YikI75O4OA
Accurate. Those of us that have worked with horses have done that exact same thing many times. It's not abuse (the horse barely felt it). It's asking the horse to move over, in a language that the horse understands.
CrispyChicken wrote:
[quote]Q1 wrote:
"The horses being assigned at random is a weird part of the event. "
Nothing at all weird about the random assignment of the mount unless you know nothing of the sport and the required ability of a military officer to be able to adapt to uncertain circumstances in the field. The modern pentathlon is based on essential military skills, or at least what used to be essential military skills, particularly those skills needed to evade or escape capture. Choice of horse to do so was rarely an option.
Perhaps the horse could be replace with random assignment of a motorcycle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaFBFmJG-LI
Should triathlon take on a fourth event of fencing and be done with it.
Any horse can decide not to co-operate with any rider at any time, whether they are used to it or not.
A skilled rider will be able to "read" the horse and deal with the issues in a better way than the German modern pentathlete did. Its a normal part of training for experienced riders to have dealt with these types of behaviours in the past.
Getting selected to represent your country for modern pentathlon in the Olympics isn't like getting selected in athletics. There are very small participation levels, and in most countries, the sport is controlled by a small cohort of interested parties (read: parents). It is not a sport you can go along and enter; you must be invited to join a club (and you won't be permitted if those in charge of the club do not deem you of a suitable standard/background). Then you must persuade them to enter you in a competition, but in order to do so, you will have to be selected against other athletes with more pushy parents.
Standards in running, fencing and shooting are relatively poor also; athletes tend to come from a swimming background as reasonable level but not world standard club swimmers. The gold medallist runs around 18 1/2 minutes for 5k but most of them do not race in athletics regularly. Most of the athletes do not usually compete in the sports so as to improve their standards, instead they compete against each other in a very small, closed circuit of races.
When asked, a lot of modern pentathletes will complain that they do not have sufficient time to train in five disciplines.
Introducing a cycling element may reveal the poor standard of many of these athletes.
Dropping the horseback riding element of the sport because the athletes simply are not very good at it is an interesting development.
Horses being forced to inbreed to create "superior" horses and not being allowed to free range goes against the humanitarian side of things. Plus it opens the event to the masses, equestrian was by far the most expense discipline.
This would be relevant it if were still 1912.
oops, Barnes and Noble has confused the books/cover photos, this is the one by the coach/scientist Jack Daniels from Amazon
Yeah the discipline (not a real sport) is basically just a victim of cancel culture because that one woman was slapping her horse in Tokyo. It's pretty disturbing that people get histerical about a woman slapping a horse (which i don't condone--it's poor bahavior) when they eat meat products on the daily that are a result of animals being subject to terrible conditions then slaughtered/murdered. Quite a double standard but that's liberalism--predicated on nonsense.
I was wondering about that! The text seemed to be correct but I was really wondering about the life of this guy. Or if they were trying to get women to buy the book, thinking it was a romance novel.
Q1 wrote:
It would kind of be like having everyone line up at the start for the 5k, but then randomly give out shoes. Chelimo gets clown shoes, Ahmed gets trainers a half size too small, etc. Then Chelimo's coach, being mad, goes and punches the official who handed them out.
I so want to see this race! But I don't want to be in it. I've been passed by all sorts of costumed runners but I don't think I could handle someone in size 50 clown shoes easily running by.
The wokesters have done it again.
Miss Fidditch wrote:
Huh, what the... wrote:
"horse back riding" - Huh?
Is there some other part of the horse you ride?
Is rojo using wejo's username?
Dear, I quite agree with this post, but you must understand that no one who *needs* to understand it...shall.
[For those not among the cognoscenti: Weldon should have said "horseback" and not "horse back."]
Weldon should have paid attention in his kindergarten spelling class instead of deciding to dubya his way through life.
lefty lunatics taking over the asylum wrote:
wejo wrote:
Is this like the triathlon dropping one of its disciplines?
Yes. Another example of cancel culture. What's next I wonder?
Please, please, please make it race walking, but don't then add ultra running, which is much the same.
cor blimey wrote:
Miss Fidditch wrote:
Dear, I quite agree with this post, but you must understand that no one who *needs* to understand it...shall.
[For those not among the cognoscenti: Weldon should have said "horseback" and not "horse back."]
Weldon should have paid attention in his kindergarten spelling class instead of deciding to dubya his way through life.
Is “horse back” riding similar to “horseback” riding? Is “horse back” riding where you just ride on the back of a horse?
lefty lunatics taking over the asylum wrote:
wejo wrote:
Is this like the triathlon dropping one of its disciplines?
Yes. Another example of cancel culture. What's next I wonder?
Now I'm not a redneck but I'm forced to vote for Trump because of this.
The modern pentathlon was supposed to simulate soldier skills. Modern militaries don't use horse cavalry anymore.
The closest modern equivalent would be motocross. Reasonably athletic for a motor sport.
Bad Wigins wrote:
The modern pentathlon was supposed to simulate soldier skills. Modern militaries don't use horse cavalry anymore.
The closest modern equivalent would be motocross. Reasonably athletic for a motor sport.
reasonably? Motocross racers are some of the fittest athletes on the planet. I race motocross and two 25 minute motos will take more out of me than racing a half marathon. Plus there is the risk factor, the thinking on the fly as you race an ever changing speeds, strategy, etc.
Removing it makes a lot of sense, but it needs to be done in a proper way as the CAS appeal makes pretty clear.
However, I wonder if ending riding that is part of it will eventually kill the sport or if adding cycling event (as discussed) will save it.
Burnsy wrote:
They’re replacing the equestrian with cycling, so now it’s a triathlon with weapons.
Which sounds pretty awesome now that you put it that way!
Bad Wigins wrote:
The modern pentathlon was supposed to simulate soldier skills. Modern militaries don't use horse cavalry anymore.
The closest modern equivalent would be motocross. Reasonably athletic for a motor sport.
No helicopter racing. Helicopters are assigned at random.
Jack Daniels (coach/scientist/author, not whiskey maker) won silver and bronze for the US in the Team Modern Pentathlon in 1956/60. As I recall from his autobiography, "Luck of the Draw" the good horse/bad horse issue both helped and hurt him. Maybe he made the team because he was assigned a good horse but lost an individual medal because he had a lousy horse or something?
He retells the incredible story here, definitely worth the listen: