Hope he breaks the AR. We have had way too many bad stories to report in American running this year.
Hope he breaks the AR. We have had way too many bad stories to report in American running this year.
Will he sign his pro contract this week as well? Wouldn't want to run that without proper bonuses in place.
Just to clarify, Conner Mantz is 24. He’s essentially just a fifth year with an early birthday. All the old man stuff makes zero sense.
If Mantz comes close to the record I’ll eat my hat. Just like track and cross country, road racing is yet another type of racing where some experience makes a big difference. My guess is he’ll push hard through 8 mikes and then start fading.
Mantz is being disrespectful to the AR holding legend Ryan Hall. He won't break the AR. He needs to shut his mouth. When guys start talking about hypothetical results way above what they're capable of, it is indeed disrespectful towards runners who have actually achieved those results and are better than them.
Geriatric Aide wrote:
Agree. No way. If Rupp hasn't broken it, Mantz has no chance.
Mantz beat Rupp in the Olympic Trials 10k and has run 25 seconds faster in the 10k than Hall ever did
Hot Takes wrote:
Frank and Mantz are similar levels, both around 27:40 for 10,000 meters. Frank had a phenomenal race and was still over a minute off the record with great competition on the fastest course in the world. I'd be shocked if Mantz goes sub 61:00 this weekend, no way he runs the American Record of 59:47 or whatever it is this weekend. I'd say a more reasonable expectation is 61:30 given these circumstances.
They are most definitely not on similar levels. Mantz is far more talented, far fitter. Lara got 18th place in the 10,000 US trials. He was 19 seconds behind Mantz, who was a split second behind Ben True in 5th. This was a championship style race and Lara was dropped like a rock. Lara even lost to Brandt, who spent his college career losing to Mantz as well as Mwaura who got 36th at XC nationals.
I'm not saying Mantz will get the AR. In fact if be tries he'll fall off a cliff and finish in a death march. But he absolutely is capable of getting under 61, maybe below 60:30 if it plays out right for him.
Is the US half marathon AR the weakest of them all? How has nobody gone faster than 59:45 all these years later? I'm surprised Hall himself couldn't muster at least 30 seconds faster. How did Rupp never break that?
Someone's going to drop that record soon. Probably won't be Mantz this week, but it's just such a soft record.
I'm sure part of the problem is that Americans generally don't to fast, flat, paced races often. It's basically Houston or nothing. They need to head out to Europe more often.
runnER/DR wrote:
Is the US half marathon AR the weakest of them all? How has nobody gone faster than 59:45 all these years later? I'm surprised Hall himself couldn't muster at least 30 seconds faster. How did Rupp never break that?
Someone's going to drop that record soon. Probably won't be Mantz this week, but it's just such a soft record.
I'm sure part of the problem is that Americans generally don't to fast, flat, paced races often. It's basically Houston or nothing. They need to head out to Europe more often.
It is not a weak record. Not at all. The 59:43 is actually something that prime Galen Rupp could have done, but not easily. However, prime Galen, prime Solinsky and possibly a prime Bernard Lagat (who was training for it) are probably the only 3 Americans who had the ability to run faster than 59:43. The super shoes may change this, however.
Jack Daniels has the 10K equivalent at 27:08. That's fast but not anywhere near an American Record.
Honestly the record should be closer to 58:45.
Elites should be able to get their HM pace 10 or 11 seconds per mile slower than 10K pace.
That record is super weak. It's begging to be broken.
runnER/DR wrote:
Jack Daniels has the 10K equivalent at 27:08. That's fast but not anywhere near an American Record.
Honestly the record should be closer to 58:45.
Elites should be able to get their HM pace 10 or 11 seconds per mile slower than 10K pace.
That record is super weak. It's begging to be broken.
Forget about Jack Daniels. That is not relevant. 59:43 is not a weak record. You obviously have no idea. The super shoes are changing the standards, but that was never a weak record. Maybe with the new shoes the record should be closer to 59:00. But it really is not for us to say. Who could break it? We shall see.
Moh Ahmed could crush this record easily if he spent a few months prepping.
Soft record.
MollySeidelFanboy wrote:
Moh Ahmed could crush this record easily if he spent a few months prepping.
Soft record.
Yeah and of course Mo will set many US records….Hello….
Milkyio wrote:
runnER/DR wrote:
Jack Daniels has the 10K equivalent at 27:08. That's fast but not anywhere near an American Record.
Honestly the record should be closer to 58:45.
Elites should be able to get their HM pace 10 or 11 seconds per mile slower than 10K pace.
That record is super weak. It's begging to be broken.
Forget about Jack Daniels. That is not relevant. 59:43 is not a weak record. You obviously have no idea. The super shoes are changing the standards, but that was never a weak record. Maybe with the new shoes the record should be closer to 59:00. But it really is not for us to say. Who could break it? We shall see.
Explain this to me. The 10,000 world record pace and half marathon world record pace are 10 seconds per mile apart.
Why could an American not run 10 seconds per miles slower than the American 10,000 record? Why is the current record 15 seconds per mile slower than the 10,000?
You have no idea what you're talking about.
JustAnotherFifthYear wrote:
Just to clarify, Conner Mantz is 24. He’s essentially just a fifth year with an early birthday. All the old man stuff makes zero sense.
A fifth year with an early birthday is 23 until the spring. Mantz is 25 in a week and is classed as a junior. So he is very very generously a 6th year junior with an extremely early birthday.
Mantz beat Lara by nearly 1 minute in the olympic trials 10k
He has a chance, if not in his first shot, within a year. I'm calling 59:36 now.
Do you think his peak for NCAAs will leave him empty in this race?
The half marathon record pace is 4:34 and Mantz just averaged 4:35 for the 10k at nationals.......HOWEVER the 10k was on a cross country course with hills, dust getting kicked up from the lead cart, and in very hot/humid weather. Mantz had a lot of energy left at the end too, he was running quite comfortably despite a 4:20 first mile.
With supershoes on a fast road course, Mantz can absolutely come close to the record. His performance at Nattys is worth 27:15 on a track 10k
Correct. Capable of getting close. But unfortunately this will not be an optimally paced race. Nobody's putting the pedal to the metal from the start.