With vaccines widely available, why are people freaking out about the new South African Covid variant?

It only ends at the hands of unvaccinated people, and now that is clear. Even we may not be out of the woods with these carriers fkn everywhere, but we have a shot. They are toast.

Hehehe. Such an angry, unstable covid culter. Methinks the death rate has quite a few variables don't you think?

Or should I add that Nigeria has faaar fewer death rates than Ireland @ 1.7% vaxxed.

But I do realize that you're trying really really hard to avoid talking about the obvious to everyone but yourself truth-the vaccines don't work. Otherwise Ireland would not be suffering so much now. Lol. Safe and effective. This is the deranged narrative that you don't want crushed but rather, for some reason you want to hold and cherish it. Why?

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""--'-"--^' wrote:

Lo and behold covid will continue to be irrelevant and not an issue in places with low infrastructure who do not feed into the big pharma money system. Low vaxxed rate equals no covid issues. High vaxxed rate equates to many covid issues. This started in the only country in Africa that has contributed significantly to big pharma--South Africa. Of course. Now these lying and manipulating pharma shills are acting as if Africa is a hot spot for covid. That is a false flag narrative to manipulate further. The cycle continues. There will never be a permanent cure because a customer cured is a customer lost for big pharma. Wake up people.

You’re right. Eating healthy, drinking healthy, not smoking, and exercising are the actual long term cures. But those don’t deepen the pockets of big pharma and exercise governmental control. Americans like quick fix things like shots and pills. My wife is a pharmacist and it is outlandish how much meds people are on. America is both the wealthiest and unhealthiest nation in the world. Maybe they naturally go hand in hand?

Covid is hitting America hard, especially the southeast, because America is already morbidly unhealthy. I do think certain people should consider taking the vax. But that is their decision. Mandates are a slippery slope to tyranny. Especially injecting foreign substances into peoples bodies. It is akin to the Nazi science experiments of the 1930s. However this is another wake up call that we need to do a better job of promoting health in America.

People like Fauci should be discussing diets and exercise programs. Not mandating like some sort of Napoleon. The “adults” have done a poor job steering this ship. They’ve allowed it to be about politics (MONEY!) and not people’s well being. Unfortunately since 9/11 America has been in the perfect storm of political chaos.

I miss the 90s. It wasn’t perfect but it wasn’t this insane. I blame Al Gore for inventing the internet.

The vax is the new substitute for your immune system. Most receiving it will have what amounts to AIDS by June. You're welcome.

Omicron is the most highly mutated successful variant yet. Nature runs a lottery to produce millions of mutations and most of them fail. In an environment in which there is a vaccine that inhibits the activity of past variants (like alpha and delta), there might arise by chance a variant that happens to cause the vaccine not to work. That variant might multiply inside a human host unimpeded by the immune system and rapidly spread throughout the population vaccinated or not. In fact, even natural immunity might not prevent re-infection. That's the worst case scenario with omicron. We would have to start all over again. This happens sometimes with the flu when we encounter a new flu variant. The best case scenario would be that the vaccines continue to work, and that natural immunity continues to work, so we can continue the program of limiting the progress of the disease.

The public health establishment has presented us with highly touted vaccines. The vaccines may not prove to be capable of ending the pandemic. Pandemic can become endemic even in the presence of high tech vaccines. If this will be the case, vaccines must be supplemented with effective treatments - we will soon find out the true efficacy of the Merck and Pfizer oral pills. What the public should realize is that there is no such thing as quintessential Science, and no such thing as an all-knowing Expert. We would be better prepared now if the experts had patiently explained the hard reality of the situation to us. In the history of viruses, few have been eradicated by the use of vaccines. It's very likely that Covid will lurk out there forever even after the pandemic subsides .

You mean the U.S?

rojo wrote:

I just got back from my 7 pm et appointment for my booster shot. I'm pumped as I always wanted Moderna and finally got it (Pfizer on April 10 and May 1). At the pharmacy, people were joking about how we are all gonna die due to the SA variant.

But then it hit me, "If the vaccines work, why in the hell are we worried about some variant?"

9/10 rojo. One of your best efforts ever. Look how many took the bait.

true that wrote:

rojo wrote:

But then it hit me, "If the vaccines work, why in the hell are we worried about some variant?"

Because not enough people will be vaccinated to stop the spread.

Vaccinated people also spread the virus, apparently just as much as unvaccinated people.

All the numbers I’ve seen have shown the virus to be something like 99% non-lethal for most people.

I do agree with the bit about guys like Faucci discussing the benefits of healthy living.

Faucci and Trump, both of who have weird cult followings, could have really made a positive impact if around two years ago when we knew COVID effected the most unhealthy among us went up in front of the camera and just told people something to the extent of "Look, we are working on a vaccine but the real long term solution to this virus is to live a healthy lifestyle, exercise more, take your vitamins, etc" . Both Faucci and Trump have such strong followings many of their followers probably would have taken them up on this.

Instead Faucci told everyone to stay inside and Trump didn't encourage any healthy life style changes at all. The result? Americans actually became UNHEALTHIER during COVID-19 gaining an extra of 29 pounds (per person). Literally the opposite of what we would want to do as a society (link below).

Trollometry wrote:

rojo wrote:

I just got back from my 7 pm et appointment for my booster shot. I'm pumped as I always wanted Moderna and finally got it (Pfizer on April 10 and May 1). At the pharmacy, people were joking about how we are all gonna die due to the SA variant.

But then it hit me, "If the vaccines work, why in the hell are we worried about some variant?"

9/10 rojo. One of your best efforts ever. Look how many took the bait.

There haven't been any answers just insults, deflection, etc.

Just remember the people producing the vaccine are the same scumbags that played a major role in the US opioid crisis. I used to work for Cardinal Health and trust me, all of these companies are full of terrible human beings at the top. You’re getting played if you believe the BS being put out there. The drug companies finally have a drug that they can push and be looked at as good even though they are 100% profit driven and they don’t actually care if the vaccine it good or bad. They are taken off the hook if it’s bad and that’s all they care about

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/20/1018288961/new-york-1-billion-opioid-deal-us-drug-wholesalers

rojo wrote:

But then it hit me, "If the vaccines work, why in the hell are we worried about some variant?"

Basic COVID info.

If we handled the initial COVID outbreak better, they’d be less dead Americans.

As the virus spreads, it mutates and can makes vaccines less effective eg. initial COVID vs delta variant

The virus is less likely to mutate as people social distance and mask AND get vaccinated.

Unfortunately, not everyone will mask, social distance and get vaccinated and in many poor countries, they don’t have the option to vaccinate. So, everyone needs to try to stop the spread.

having stated the above, vaccinations still appear to do their job of decreasing infection and reducing hospitalization and death for the vaccinated.

The way things are going, it seems inevitable (due to anti vaxxers and anti mask), the old and people with underlying health conditions will die in America ( eg. mostly fat and old) . And if the virus mutates enough, it may impact the young and normally healthy.

Until it gets bad enough, I doubt we will have true world wide lockdowns to stamp out the virus.

Yes, they also pushed the statins like they were the holy grail of heart disease

Here is the math.

Delta + MrNA = Omicron

rojo wrote:

I just got back from my 7 pm et appointment for my booster shot. I'm pumped as I always wanted Moderna and finally got it (Pfizer on April 10 and May 1). At the pharmacy, people were joking about how we are all gonna die due to the SA variant.

But then it hit me, "If the vaccines work, why in the hell are we worried about some variant?"

"If the vaccines work"

3 shots in 7 months and you are asking THAT question ?

An entirely new type of chemical and biological formulation called mRNA, being used on the public for the first time, with the intent of injecting every person on the face of the Earth - and you have taken 3 mRNA shots in 230 days.

Have you given any consideration to unknown long term effects ? In the event that you are told 2, 3 or 4 more shots are necessary, what will be your reaction and subsequent decision ?

No point in me posting all the data and news stories that I have repeatedly offered here for over a year.

- Delta + ? = Omicron. No MrNA, no Omicron.

ustabefast wrote:

true that wrote:

Because not enough people will be vaccinated to stop the spread.

Vaccinated people also spread the virus, apparently just as much as unvaccinated people.

incorrect (yes some do spread it, but not as likely to).

jamb innnnn wrote:

Trollometry wrote:

9/10 rojo. One of your best efforts ever. Look how many took the bait.

There haven't been any answers just insults, deflection, etc.

I just measure Trollometrics.

Have you given any consideration to unknown long term effects of getting covid whilst unvaccinated (and infecting others)? Obviously not, or you'd be posting all of those stories instead, and not helping kill many in the short term as well as your own self interest.