Exactly. None of this makes any sense. Start asking questions. And then start asking questions of ourselves. In the history of the world, why do we continue to accept lies?
Exactly. None of this makes any sense. Start asking questions. And then start asking questions of ourselves. In the history of the world, why do we continue to accept lies?
rojo wrote:
I just got back from my 7 pm et appointment for my booster shot. I'm pumped as I always wanted Moderna and finally got it (Pfizer on April 10 and May 1). At the pharmacy, people were joking about how we are all gonna die due to the SA variant.
But then it hit me, "If the vaccines work, why in the hell are we worried about some variant?"
Me too. Ever since I was 6 I dreamt of having Moderna. Although I have to admit, after playing spin the syringe i did end up getting Pfizer first. I have bi-weekly boosters scheduled. I'm enjoying the good life.
No one as asked you to do this.
Stop creating ridiculous and hysterical scenarios.
The answer is this: the shot you got covers about three proteins from the original strain. The delta variant, that has largely been able to evade the vaccines that you have gotten thus far, was able to do so through two main mutations on the spike protein. The booster formulated for that variant should be up for approval in about a month or so (after emerging about a year ago in India). The reason they are concerned about the South African variant is it has about ten major mutations. This variant may be like starting from scratch. Time will tell how it responds to vaccinations and prior infections, but the outlook is not great.
You’re basing your current situation on four month old data. Read a recent study.
Louiseanna wrote:
co co covid wrote:
Maybe you should take another shot at this? With pretty much 80% of ireland vaxxed they're having out of control covid cases. Perhaps the vaccines dont work against any variant? Or are they lowering the immune system so much that people are getting sick more easily?
Hmmmm, 80% over 18 years of age. Ireland has a large young population.
Why don’t you try again. Also death rates in Ireland have been far better than the US.
Hmmm. Are you saying that highly vaxxed Ireland in fact is not having an out of control covid surge? What age group do you think is suffering a tremendous increase in covid cases? 5-10 yr olds? Are you saying the vaccine works perfectly because 80% of over 18 are vaccinated but there is a skyrocketing covid case count and rate of hospitalizations but there are some young people in Ireland so that makes it ok? It makes perfect sense!
joed|rt wrote:The booster formulated for [the delta] variant should be up for approval in about a month or so (after emerging about a year ago in India)
Just like the flu vaccine: works 50% of the time for the flu that existed the previous year.
I am always amazed at how ignorant Rojo is. It is one thing to post ignorant comments on a random website, it is another to start completely ignorant threads on a website you founded. Just basically admitting that you are an idiot that doesn’t know how to research things for themselves.
rojo wrote:
But then it hit me, "If the vaccines work, why in the hell are we worried about some variant?"
Because not enough people will be vaccinated to stop the spread.
co co covid wrote:
Louiseanna wrote:
Hmmmm, 80% over 18 years of age. Ireland has a large young population.
Why don’t you try again. Also death rates in Ireland have been far better than the US.
Hmmm. Are you saying that highly vaxxed Ireland in fact is not having an out of control covid surge? What age group do you think is suffering a tremendous increase in covid cases? 5-10 yr olds? Are you saying the vaccine works perfectly because 80% of over 18 are vaccinated but there is a skyrocketing covid case count and rate of hospitalizations but there are some young people in Ireland so that makes it ok? It makes perfect sense!
No, I’m saying your claim of 80% of the population vaccinated is horse sh!t.
Children may not be suffering with covid but they are certainly getting it and spreading it. The booster roll out is in an early stage in Ireland too.
Again, the covid death rates in Ireland are significantly better than here in the US, but that doesn’t suit your nonsense narrative.
Sham 69 wrote:
Don't you get it Rojo? COVID hysteria never ends. It's all about control. They want you scared so you keep buying vaccines forever. That's money for them. Governments worldwide want to scare their citizens to gain more power...
Who's conning you into paying for your Covid vaccines? Newsflash...they're free.
co co covid wrote:
Louiseanna wrote:
Hmmmm, 80% over 18 years of age. Ireland has a large young population.
Why don’t you try again. Also death rates in Ireland have been far better than the US.
Hmmm. Are you saying that highly vaxxed Ireland in fact is not having an out of control covid surge? What age group do you think is suffering a tremendous increase in covid cases? 5-10 yr olds? Are you saying the vaccine works perfectly because 80% of over 18 are vaccinated but there is a skyrocketing covid case count and rate of hospitalizations but there are some young people in Ireland so that makes it ok? It makes perfect sense!
USA - 2,395 deaths per 1 million
Ireland - 1,127 deaths per 1 million
rojo wrote:
Yes I get what you are saying. But even if the vaccines don't work lets say either long-term or against this variant, then we might as well face it. I'm not willing to try to hide for 40 years. Or do we thinj in 5 years there would be better treatments?
I'm responding your last sentence here -
A main concern is kicking the can further down the road. We all remember being told that a 2 week break was needed to calm COVID. That was a lie, because for another year the shenanigans kept going on in many parts of our country.
Please, I hate sounding arrogant, but I saw through this BS from the beginning. During those two weeks when the country was on national shutdown I went about my business as usual. I went wherever I wanted to go. I'd ask people to do stuff together and they'd harass me saying that I needed to stay inside. They couldn't ever give me a better answer other than "because the government told us to".
If more people just questioned the government and health officials, then there would have been no business shut downs, school closures, mask mandates... But too many people love being ordered on what to do. They pass it onto others and shame them to feel superior.
I'm saying all of this to communicate to you that if you don't stop complying, you will be made to comply forever. The quote "you give them an inch, and they take a mile".
2 weeks turned into 2 years. If you wait 5 years it will turn into 5 decades, I guarantee it. Even if a good vaccine does come out in 5 years, health officials and politicians will move onto new health goals. "If we beat COVID, we can beat ______. Stay in your homes so we can make this happen, we'll just have to stay strong and keep waiting."
A lot of people are caught in the middle of this and are just trying to do the right thing. They don't want to unsettle people who have fears of COVID. Personally, I think there comes a time where they just have to say "enough" because by complying they keep feeding into others' paranoia, continuing the cycle.
From December, 2019 through December, 2020, I stated vaccine for covid-19 would not work. Covid-19 is a corona virus. Common cold is a corona virus. Vaccine has never worked for common cold corona virus due to frequent mutations. Just like with cataracts, if any of us live long enough, we all will eventually get cataracts. If we live long enough, we all will eventually be covid-19 positive, covid-19 vaxx or not. Covid-19 spikes stick to us as throwing a dart into a side of beef. If viral exposure is significant, we all will eventually become covid-19 positive. Vaccine means in theory you are less likely to be hospital in-patient and less likely to die. If not obese, not likely to die. If not a cancer patient, not likely to die. If not HIV positive, not likely to die from covid-19. If not a respiratory patient, not likely to die from covid-19. This will go one for awhile.
true that wrote:
rojo wrote:
But then it hit me, "If the vaccines work, why in the hell are we worried about some variant?"
Because not enough people will be vaccinated to stop the spread.
How much is "enough"? The country of Gibraltar has a 100% vaccination rate and the virus is still spreading there, with no lower a number of cases than when there was 0% vaccination.
Bro -
Delta had eight mutations in the spike protein, which undermined the efficacy of these very specific vaccines.
Omicron has 32 mutations in the spike, which will render current vaccines almost completely useless. Combined with the fact that we are looking at another 90-100 days to tweak the mRNA vaccine design and that this new strain appears to be exponentially more infectious than delta (too early to tell, but it appears so in early data) we are looking at DEFCON 1 potentially.
Now, if the new strain is highly infectious (it is) but doesn’t make people very sick, then this will be the golden ticket to herd immunity. Let’s hope! I suspect this won’t be the case. Vaccinated or not, there’s no way you or I are avoiding getting infected. Again, that might be the best case scenario but I’m not betting that way.
Breakthrough infections will be interesting to watch. I strongly suspect people with natural immunity will have milder breakthrough infections than the nonconvalescent but vaccinated group because the mRNA vaccines do not confer immunity to a wide range of epitopes on the virus, just the S protein.
Nobody has enough information yet to accurately predict what will happen, by I’m fearing lockdowns, masks, and remote school again. The fact that the world is shutting down travel from these hot spots suggests to me that these governments know more than they are letting on, Your booster will probably be next to useless.
If we could’ve vaccinated the entire world in a rapid fashion, that might have been a way out of this, accepting collateral damage along the way, I knew this was futile and even dumb perhaps. We are at the point where we need to cull the forest.
Don'tMakeSense wrote:
Who's conning you into paying for your Covid vaccines? Newsflash...they're free.
Free = your tax dollars. Why do you think there is such a push to vaccinate kids in school? I'm being literal. They want to do this because $ and power. Yet, less than 1 in a 1,000,000 kids have died of COVID over the whole pandemic. Kids don't even transmit to adults.
https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/9bhg-hcku?mobile_redirect=truehttps://youtu.be/A-Wsaba4iCI100,000
GORP wrote:
I'll take a shot at this.. There are still like 40% of Americans who aren't vax'd yet.. not to mention the massive numbers world-wide who aren't. Next, they still don't know how effective the vaccines will be against this new variant. As we allow the spread to continue as it is, it also mutates more easily. It'd be VERY helpful if EVERYONE got vax'd and if we could get the rest of the world (including developing countries) on board.
Is it remotely realistic for EVERYONE in the world to get the vaccine, and thus prevent the said mutation? If not, then why the vaccine is believed to be going defeat the virus?
blurred line wrote:
GORP wrote:
I'll take a shot at this.. There are still like 40% of Americans who aren't vax'd yet.. not to mention the massive numbers world-wide who aren't. Next, they still don't know how effective the vaccines will be against this new variant. As we allow the spread to continue as it is, it also mutates more easily. It'd be VERY helpful if EVERYONE got vax'd and if we could get the rest of the world (including developing countries) on board.
Is it remotely realistic for EVERYONE in the world to get the vaccine, and thus prevent the said mutation? If not, then why the vaccine is believed to be going defeat the virus?
No, it’s not. Also, the vaccines can work to put selective pressure on the virus to mutate. In fact, current vaccines are all but inviting evolution around them while undermining your innate immunity.