NC STATE WINS NCAA DI CROSS COUNTRY CHAMPIONS

Yeah I think you're right now that I re-watch it! At 355 on the YouTube video she's right behind all her teammates especially Kelsey Camille

Then at 5:45 she's on the outside their passing Runners but she's obviously way on the outside and it doesn't really fit with where she was previously

So I think you're right I think she did fall at somewhere between then when they were going around those turns

Yeah that does make her finish a lot more impressive , maybe she was saving up for Nationals and was hoping to go top 10 and be somewhere right behind Camille

Anyway I started a thread about it but dopey letsrun deleted it I have no idea why they're so weird with how they conduct business , I mean why wouldn't that be a legitimate question with all the other Dopey threads about BYU's age and what's his name Nico Young, anyway yeah I imagine we'll probably get the full story at some point

Agreed. After the coach mentioned I tried to figure out where it happened. At the 1.1K mark to the 1.4K mark you see her running in the front pack with her teammates. This is from about 3:40-4:50 in the video. The race then enters the woods and we next see the runners emerge at about the 5:23, 1.6k mark. We next see Tuohy at about 5:35 at the 1.7k mark on the right edge no longer with her teammate probably 70-80 runners back making her way back towards the front. At the 2.0k mark she is 47th. She made it all the way back to her teammates in the front group by 3k.

So consistent with what Coach Henes said it happened between the 1.4k and 1.7k mark in the race. Clearly something happened that knocked her off the pace. In retrospect the splits, change in race position and team score at that point all indicate it also but it does not jump out at you right off the bat. Luckily it happened early enough that she had time to work her way back but the group was moving fast and it required expending energy over the next K. It happens in XC, just obviously not something you want to happen at Nationals. Alls well that ends well.

I think she had to finish about where Dudek finished in order for her team to win.

Dudek had been running well in the last few meets, I was certainly expecting a top 25 for her. She was near the front early in the race but then started falling back. I'm not sure if this is still injury related, or just having 'big race' issues.

On another note, it was nice to see Katelyn Hart finish in the top 70. I believe she DNF'd last year.

That graduating class held so much promise coming to the NCAA's, but seems to have been ravaged by injuries. ...Tuohy included, but she certainly has bounced back well.

It would be interesting to see a score by year of graduation but it is difficult to know with redshirts and especially now with Covid year. But the 2020 class is clearly behind where a 2nd year class would normally be at this point.

Why do you know what these girls are running in practice?

NM actually ran better vs NC State than they did at Nuttycombe getting their top runner closer to Chmiel and holding the 18 sec 1-5 spread. But NC St got Steelman into their lineup and Hays ran much better than she did at Nuttycombe, and Bush improved as well. BYU got the improved Camp and of course Whittni Orton into their lineup. CO times in the pre Nats were basically flat with what they did Saturday, so they did not improve as the other 3 did.

Two of these runners are not like the others. Is it simply a hat shortage or an inside joke?

I ran hills today wrote:

https://images.app.goo.gl/UCqbbVJAfnDryPaaA

Two of these runners are not like the others. Is it simply a hat shortage or an inside joke?

Starliper is on the team, but no Hendricks or walters, how does that work considering those 2 have run in a few races last year and starliper hasn't run in any races.... just curious, I guess does it go by time trials this year with 15 runners getting the nod based on how fast they trial at workouts....

Nc state has a bunch of recruits coming in will be interesting to see who moves into the 5, 6, 7, slots

Hopefully Shaw and a few others step up big time

OozmaKappa wrote:

So is 2E fast again?

tuohy has always been fast, even just 6 months after her knee surgery she can run 4:12 1500m converted to 4:30 mile pace, faster than all healthy runners in nc state except 5k national champ elly henes who ran 4:10 ... and that time was on a post-surgery body (still wasnt that fit) but now shes more fit and i believe she can run below 4:30 mile now

one of the nc state runner's father commented on instagram that indeed katelyn really fell at mile mark

NCAA Compliance wrote:

It would be interesting to see a score by year of graduation but it is difficult to know with redshirts and especially now with Covid year. But the 2020 class is clearly behind where a 2nd year class would normally be at this point.

the only 2020 class that is developing quite well is katelyn tuohy, even after her knee surgery, her times are one of the top times in the nation

katelyn tuohy as a freshman

- cross country national runner-up (team)

- finished 24th in xc nationals 2020 (the only true freshman in top 45)

- 4:12 1500 pr

- 15:47 5k outdoor (top real freshman finisher)

- acc outdoor 5k bronze medalist

- 2-time all american, 3-time all-acc, 3-time all-academic

katelyn tuohy as a sophomore

- cross country national champion (team)

- finished 15th in xc nationals 2021 (top sophomore finisher)

- improved 9 places from last years 24th to this year's 15th

- adidas xc challenge champion

- acc xc championship runner-up

- ncaa southeast regional xc championship runner-up

- all american

Supposedly several NC State runners will be running at BU on Dec 4. I think I heard Kelati is running the 5,000 there. Orton ran 15:22 there in 2019.

I haven’t seen a list of the 2020 class to see how everyone is doing. Tuohy is certainly coming along well (and proving to the old trolls that her pacing in HS was not going to be an issue in NCAA’s). But unfortunately so many of the top female runners of that year became injured. It’s actually a little disturbing how many have been sidelined after HS, and does make you wonder if this is a larger issue in general.

I’m not sure if this is a normal number of injuries based on other years? Was there a similar number of injuries on the male side?

Several of the NC State ladies are supposed to be WRAL evening News today 6pm EST.

https://www.wral.com/latest-wral-newscast/1082826/?ref_id=18317583

Girl runners get injured way more than boys...... basically every top girl runner from hs to college has had significant injury except chmiel in last 5 years

Yeah some runners who were not elite in HS are now doing really good in college have probably been injury free,

Anyway what might have helped Kelsey Camille is that she's not really chasing records on the track, she's a good track runner, very good, but she's never been going for records or running really crazy time so that probably helped her.

but yeah definitely needs to be looked at cuz every girl who was chasing records on the track got injured and had to take a lot of time off and there's nothing at all similar on the boys side I mean you're talking about 90 95% of the top girls getting serious injuries

Laurie Henes on CITIUS podcast for a discussion on the NC St program.

https://open.spotify.com/show/70eINNmXl67VqorbTsMOaH

also available via other channels