Last NCAA outdoor NCAA championships UCLA placed 50th in the men's side and 40th in the women's side. Stephen F Austin was 13th in the men's. Let that sink in if you are a UCLA alum or even the UCLA AD.
SMH.......Are you implying that SFA is better than UCLA? 98% of the time UCLA finishes ahead of SFA. Want to bet who finishes higher this year?
Not sure if you are a UCLA fan or Alumni, but you seem to be missing the point.
It is not acceptable for any mid-major to be finishing ahead of P5 schools, who for the most part have better facilities, more money, more scholarships, and are generally bigger draws on all accounts than their weaker counter parts. They have every advantage.
I am retired from being a D-I coach, and in my career I was only at mid-majors, but we finished in the top 25 at the Indoor and Outdoor NCAA several times, and beat several big name programs like UCLA, Texas, etc. Our budget was was probably a quarter or less than what these schools had, and yet they couldn't produce when it mattered.
So it doesn't matter if it is SFA, UTEP, or NC A&T. For UCLA to not be a perennial top 15 type team is not acceptable. To not be able to get the job done as well as a mid-major is even worse...
SMH.......Are you implying that SFA is better than UCLA? 98% of the time UCLA finishes ahead of SFA. Want to bet who finishes higher this year?
Not sure if you are a UCLA fan or Alumni, but you seem to be missing the point.
It is not acceptable for any mid-major to be finishing ahead of P5 schools, who for the most part have better facilities, more money, more scholarships, and are generally bigger draws on all accounts than their weaker counter parts. They have every advantage.
I am retired from being a D-I coach, and in my career I was only at mid-majors, but we finished in the top 25 at the Indoor and Outdoor NCAA several times, and beat several big name programs like UCLA, Texas, etc. Our budget was was probably a quarter or less than what these schools had, and yet they couldn't produce when it mattered.
So it doesn't matter if it is SFA, UTEP, or NC A&T. For UCLA to not be a perennial top 15 type team is not acceptable. To not be able to get the job done as well as a mid-major is even worse...
People are going to be shocked when they find out NAU isn't a power-5. I'm sure all of those big schools will just leverage their Power-5-ness and simply be better than them because of all of those advantages and whatnot...
All kidding aside, I think using the idea that it isn't acceptable for any mid-major to be ahead of a power-5 really ignores that there is overlap between the best mid-majors and the worst power-5. Especially in the NCAA National meet, there is so much room for one stud on a team to give you a few points putting you ahead of another school. For SFA they did manage to pull together a great 4x400m, but even their group of Pole Vaulters scoring a few points can put them ahead of a team that has 8 national qualifiers but doesn't have any finish higher than 9th (still a crazy impressive feat). It makes sense for SFA to be "better" because they found a great vault coach that loves where he's at and has recruits that understand that it's worth going to SFA to work with him.
There's a lot of great schools out there and a lot of unique fits for each particular athlete/situation. And a lot of those aren't at FBS schools.
Wayland Baptist University is seeking qualified applicants for its position of Head Coach of Men's and Women's Track and Field - Cross Country in Plainview, Texas.
His work with the distance group at Fresno is abysmal.
Can’t imagine JD is being considered by Tennessee. He has not done anything with distance runners at Fresno and no apparent connection to Ross, Danny White, the school, the region, etc. Maybe Director job at EWU or back to Pullman if he’s looking to leave.
SMH.......Are you implying that SFA is better than UCLA? 98% of the time UCLA finishes ahead of SFA. Want to bet who finishes higher this year?
Not sure if you are a UCLA fan or Alumni, but you seem to be missing the point.
It is not acceptable for any mid-major to be finishing ahead of P5 schools, who for the most part have better facilities, more money, more scholarships, and are generally bigger draws on all accounts than their weaker counter parts. They have every advantage.
I am retired from being a D-I coach, and in my career I was only at mid-majors, but we finished in the top 25 at the Indoor and Outdoor NCAA several times, and beat several big name programs like UCLA, Texas, etc. Our budget was was probably a quarter or less than what these schools had, and yet they couldn't produce when it mattered.
So it doesn't matter if it is SFA, UTEP, or NC A&T. For UCLA to not be a perennial top 15 type team is not acceptable. To not be able to get the job done as well as a mid-major is even worse...
You said and I quote.... "It is not acceptable for any mid-major to be finishing ahead of P5 schools". That happens every year. Not sure what point you were attempting to make. You seem to be missing the point. Every year a mid major finishes ahead of several of the 65 schools in the so called Power 5 conferences. Plenty of these in the Power 5 don't even score at NCAA's. The point I made was that mid majors don't with consistency beat Power 5 schools who give a damn about track, like UCLA. Plenty of mid majors have better indoor and outdoor facilities than some P5 schools like Boston College, Pitt, and Wisconsin.
Its funny that they randomly picked UCLA vs. SFA. Why? There are plenty of P5 schools that don't score at NC's. One or two great individuals don't make a great team and you know this. I could care less about UCLA. Not a fan or alum. Who said UCLA is supposed to be at top 15 team every year? You? So what if they won NCAA titles in the 1970's and 1980's. These kids were born in 2000, 2001 and 2002, they don't care who won 40 and 50 years ago and neither do I.
Like I said UCLA still beats SFA 98% of the time. Great that SFA has outstanding vaulters and a couple of national qualifiers now.
So with North Carolina A&T beating 99% of all DI schools, then every P5 school performance is not acceptable according to you and they are not getting the job done because A&T beat them according to you.
Not sure if you are a UCLA fan or Alumni, but you seem to be missing the point.
It is not acceptable for any mid-major to be finishing ahead of P5 schools, who for the most part have better facilities, more money, more scholarships, and are generally bigger draws on all accounts than their weaker counter parts. They have every advantage.
I am retired from being a D-I coach, and in my career I was only at mid-majors, but we finished in the top 25 at the Indoor and Outdoor NCAA several times, and beat several big name programs like UCLA, Texas, etc. Our budget was was probably a quarter or less than what these schools had, and yet they couldn't produce when it mattered.
So it doesn't matter if it is SFA, UTEP, or NC A&T. For UCLA to not be a perennial top 15 type team is not acceptable. To not be able to get the job done as well as a mid-major is even worse...
You said and I quote.... "It is not acceptable for any mid-major to be finishing ahead of P5 schools". That happens every year. Not sure what point you were attempting to make. You seem to be missing the point. Every year a mid major finishes ahead of several of the 65 schools in the so called Power 5 conferences. Plenty of these in the Power 5 don't even score at NCAA's. The point I made was that mid majors don't with consistency beat Power 5 schools who give a damn about track, like UCLA. Plenty of mid majors have better indoor and outdoor facilities than some P5 schools like Boston College, Pitt, and Wisconsin.
Its funny that they randomly picked UCLA vs. SFA. Why? There are plenty of P5 schools that don't score at NC's. One or two great individuals don't make a great team and you know this. I could care less about UCLA. Not a fan or alum. Who said UCLA is supposed to be at top 15 team every year? You? So what if they won NCAA titles in the 1970's and 1980's. These kids were born in 2000, 2001 and 2002, they don't care who won 40 and 50 years ago and neither do I.
Like I said UCLA still beats SFA 98% of the time. Great that SFA has outstanding vaulters and a couple of national qualifiers now.
So with North Carolina A&T beating 99% of all DI schools, then every P5 school performance is not acceptable according to you and they are not getting the job done because A&T beat them according to you.
If you’re trying to talk in support of P5 schools you should just stop right now. No way in hell UCLA should lose to SFA I don’t care how you slice it. When they recruit I’m sure they make sure to tell their PSAs that they’re better than a mid major so then why lose to them? And since this is a coaches thread let’s be straight up mid major coaches are 9/10 better than a P5 coach. Having to be competitive with less, developing athletes to beat more talented athletes that passed on the mid major for the P5. So don’t try to justify it, UCLA should be getting more talented athletes than an SFA, so question is what are they doing with them?
Man, you have little man’s syndrome. Pretty sad. I’ve been juco, D2, mid major and p5 and they are all very different. To spout off about this:
It is not acceptable for any mid-major to be finishing ahead of P5 schools, who for the most part have better facilities, more money, more scholarships, and are generally bigger draws on all accounts than their weaker counter parts. They have every advantage.
Just wow! I’m sure you were offered tons of p5 positions but didn’t want to show how great you were with such a superior situation. You should stop speaking from the position of ignorance and let us get back to jobs.
Man, you have little man’s syndrome. Pretty sad. I’ve been juco, D2, mid major and p5 and they are all very different. To spout off about this:
It is not acceptable for any mid-major to be finishing ahead of P5 schools, who for the most part have better facilities, more money, more scholarships, and are generally bigger draws on all accounts than their weaker counter parts. They have every advantage.
Just wow! I’m sure you were offered tons of p5 positions but didn’t want to show how great you were with such a superior situation. You should stop speaking from the position of ignorance and let us get back to jobs.
Did they strike a nerve? Seems like it. You actually are the one that showed your ignorance with your response. No wonder P5 coaches can’t hold a position. Are you at UCLA and feeling the heat. Farthham makes a good point thought I don’t completely agree.
In Theory Mid Majors shouldn't out do P5 schools, but that's not always the case. NC A&T, Howard, SFA, and NAU are probably going to out do some P5 schools. I don't know all the factors contributing to UCLA issues.
Sean Carlson is taking the head Cross Country position at Tennessee.
Bruh here’s the real UT list ala 2002:
Robert Gary
Sue Parks
Kevin Hadsell
Wendel McKraven
Scott Jones
Joe Franklin
20 years ago this was every speculation.
If I'm Ross, I'm not picking a distance coach who has been a head coach for years. Tennessee doesn't need to be a powerhouse in distance to be a top 5 program or win the SEC.
