coppell high school
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coppell high school
Top 20 footlocker runner couple years back. Paavo in HS. No longer do it at Uni, of course. Really really liked the slow intervals particularly, but all of it was very helpful later down the road. Slow intervals were the bread and butter. Lots of rest, at times would be 800m jog between reps. Never touched a track, maybe a couple times senior year cross. All grass. Grant it, I had a very good coach that the two of us worked very well together. Was never a big fan of CV runs, which were the easy days, that had to be hit a certain pace and that I pretty much ignored and ran how I felt, which was always on the conservative side.
Was only injured once, I kid you not, through high school. That injury was from falling on me knee during a rainy day run senior year, so not even training related, lol.
I can see why there is hate at the system, but it worked very well for me and I wouldn’t go back and change anything I did honestly. Would I do it now if I had the chance? Probably not, but it isn’t a terrible system and can work for some.
very cool stuff man. I run Paavo for highschool training right now, I just finished my freshman year and am going on to my sophomore year. PPMs help but I'm kinda concerned with burning out, not only for this season but in high school in general. My best 4 mile was a 20:39 freshman year. Every time I moved on to intervals though, I got injured. I got injured a total of 3 times (all stress fractures) during my freshman year. I'm hoping to make some changes that will make running Paavo more compatible for me, by taking days off to cross-train and be a little more relaxed on my CT runs. Hopefully, all goes well (even though I won't be having an xc season this year)!
A smart coach will individualize training based on the needs of his/her athletes. A PAAVO coach will just keep following the manual with blind trust.
OP was my friend, the legendary Van Townsend of Baylor School in Chattanooga. I don’t know that there was anything running-related he wouldn’t talk about like an old, skinny surfer. Not a bad record as a high school coach, either, with several FLN guys and a few state titles.
BigTex wrote:
A smart coach will individualize training based on the needs of his/her athletes. A PAAVO coach will just keep following the manual with blind trust.
Is it any different than following any other plan?
A smart PAAVO coach will tweak the plan between its left and right limits for the individual or groups of individuals of similar ability.
The is almost a 20 year thread.
Alan
Runningart2004 wrote:
BigTex wrote:
A smart coach will individualize training based on the needs of his/her athletes. A PAAVO coach will just keep following the manual with blind trust.
Is it any different than following any other plan?
A smart PAAVO coach will tweak the plan between its left and right limits for the individual or groups of individuals of similar ability.
The is almost a 20 year thread.
Alan
Alan, I think the difference is that if a coach doesn’t tweak the plan (plenty of HS level coaches don’t know what they’re doing), the PAAVO program is more likely to injure runners. I just stumbled across this very old thread when I was looking up PAAVO camps online out of nostalgia. I ran the PAAVO program in Georgia in the 90’s, attended 3 camps and saw quick improvement that made me buy into it even more. Our top HS runners were state champs and ran D1 but many of us who attacked the mileage got overtraining injuries and when we recovered the coach threw is right back into the program. Any kind of training can be abused but PAAVO as written is pretty intense and grueling for the average teenager. Let’s keep this thread going another 20 years. :oD
Here we go again wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
Is it any different than following any other plan?
A smart PAAVO coach will tweak the plan between its left and right limits for the individual or groups of individuals of similar ability.
The is almost a 20 year thread.
Alan
Alan, I think the difference is that if a coach doesn’t tweak the plan (plenty of HS level coaches don’t know what they’re doing), the PAAVO program is more likely to injure runners. I just stumbled across this very old thread when I was looking up PAAVO camps online out of nostalgia. I ran the PAAVO program in Georgia in the 90’s, attended 3 camps and saw quick improvement that made me buy into it even more. Our top HS runners were state champs and ran D1 but many of us who attacked the mileage got overtraining injuries and when we recovered the coach threw is right back into the program. Any kind of training can be abused but PAAVO as written is pretty intense and grueling for the average teenager. Let’s keep this thread going another 20 years. :oD
It would be interesting to know more of the inside story of the Camps and Clinics. I know the Camps went away a long time ago.
As far as the training goes......it is what it is. I used to keep my training logs in a binder and wish I still had the ones from back then. Y'all wouldn't believe some of the weeks I did.
HS runners are made during the off season when the Coach has less control. No one told me to try and run 60, 70, 80 miles a week. I did that on my own.....even during record snow storm wearing are 1970s era gear in the mid 90s :)
Alan
Newbury Park. DUH
I believe Boerne Champion was a PAAVO program back when they won NXN in 2009