2 parts
1st, He coaches Adults, so whats the issue if its consensual? i.e. his relationship with henry in the UK
if however he uses his position when an athlete is underperforming and threatens to remove them from the group etc, than thats another.
2nd, rumour is it has something to do with the Ducks girl that left after a bad year...
TaskMaster2021 wrote:
2 parts
1st, He coaches Adults, so whats the issue if its consensual? i.e. his relationship with henry in the UK
if however he uses his position when an athlete is underperforming and threatens to remove them from the group etc, than thats another.
2nd, rumour is it has something to do with the Ducks girl that left after a bad year...
When, long ago, Harvard debated prohibiting faculty from having relations with graduate students, John Kenneth Galbraith passionately defended allowing it. His main argument was that he had been married happily to his graduate student for sixty some years.
What I don't get about this is why UK Athletics is demanding its athletes immediately stop all association with Reider. People must be assumed innocent until proven guilty.
I can totally understand why UK Athletics would want to notify them about the allegations but if they want to still be trained by him, they should be allowed to do so until when and if he is formally sanctioned in a way that prevents them from working with him.
Unless he is barred from the sport, UK Athletics shouldn't be telling athletes who and whom they can't work with.
UK practice is to suspend a coach immediately upon any accusations (can be seen as positive to ensure any safety if true etc) but you're right the damage then to image is already done!
Of course the rumours around the former squad member, could also include a brit as there are more British females in that group than those mentioned
Remember though this is on top of the issues with Blessing.
rojo wrote:
What I don't get about this is why UK Athletics is demanding its athletes immediately stop all association with Reider. People must be assumed innocent until proven guilty.
I can totally understand why UK Athletics would want to notify them about the allegations but if they want to still be trained by him, they should be allowed to do so until when and if he is formally sanctioned in a way that prevents them from working with him.
Unless he is barred from the sport, UK Athletics shouldn't be telling athletes who and whom they can't work with.
If this was a employment situation he would be suspended on full pay and have any licences to work temporarily revoked. If athletes are on grants that mean that they can only work with licensed coaches then that would mean they can’t both get grants and work with him.
So the key is the suspension.
Now the coach in question may well not be licensed by UKA so a bit of a problem.
But governing bodies are being sued all over the place because they were aware in some way or due diligence should have ascertained such.
TaskMaster2021 wrote:
UK practice is to suspend a coach immediately upon any accusations (can be seen as positive to ensure any safety if true etc) but you're right the damage then to image is already done!
Of course the rumours around the former squad member, could also include a brit as there are more British females in that group than those mentioned
Remember though this is on top of the issues with Blessing.
Why risk coaching if an “allegation “ brings your life to an abrupt and painful pause
rojo wrote:
What I don't get about this is why UK Athletics is demanding its athletes immediately stop all association with Reider. People must be assumed innocent until proven guilty.
That is a very American reaction of yours, Robert.
Blimey M8 wrote:
rojo wrote:
What I don't get about this is why UK Athletics is demanding its athletes immediately stop all association with Reider. People must be assumed innocent until proven guilty.
That is a very American reaction of yours, Robert.
Not quite. I just don’t think he has read the case against US Gymnastics etc.
I have no idea what controls the insurance companies will be requiring Governing Bodies to put in place.Or the new premiums.
Can “ amateur “ sport survive all this ?
TaskMaster2021 wrote:
UK practice is to suspend a coach immediately upon any accusations (can be seen as positive to ensure any safety if true etc) but you're right the damage then to image is already done!
Not after just "any accusation". Here for example they learned:
“Following information from the US Center for SafeSport that multiple complaints of sexual misconduct have been made against coach Rana Reider and that an investigation in the US is imminent, UK Athletics has informed UK athletes currently being coached by him to cease all association until the conclusion of this process.”
TaskMaster2021 wrote:Remember though this is on top of the issues with Blessing.
Yes indeed, good reminder, Blessing was caught doping while coached by Reider.
So: Reider 1, Salazar 1, Schumacher 1.
You have to remember that UKA likely did NOT handle the allegations made against him properly back 10 or so years ago. They are probably well aware that this investigation will unearth everything dating back to those events with his previous employment, and want to be preemptive this time around to try to save some face.
canarara wrote:
You have to remember that UKA likely did NOT handle the allegations made against him properly back 10 or so years ago. They are probably well aware that this investigation will unearth everything dating back to those events with his previous employment, and want to be preemptive this time around to try to save some face.
What else have they ignored regarding others.
The resignations from UKA last month have clearly nothing to do with these cover ups.
liar soorer wrote:
canarara wrote:
You have to remember that UKA likely did NOT handle the allegations made against him properly back 10 or so years ago. They are probably well aware that this investigation will unearth everything dating back to those events with his previous employment, and want to be preemptive this time around to try to save some face.
What else have they ignored regarding others.
The resignations from UKA last month have clearly nothing to do with these cover ups.
Can amateur sport survive all this?
liar soorer wrote:
brien evans wrote:
On a more serious note: in the UK ; no pay and risk your non coaching day job.
Who should risk being support personnel and coaches.
Law of unintended consequences.
Are you suggesting that without the perk of f*cking the athletes, many volunteer coaches will just quit? Or that we should let coaches f*ck athletes as sort of a reward for volunteer work?
Rememberer wrote:
liar soorer wrote:
On a more serious note: in the UK ; no pay and risk your non coaching day job.
Who should risk being support personnel and coaches.
Law of unintended consequences.
Are you suggesting that without the perk of f*cking the athletes, many volunteer coaches will just quit? Or that we should let coaches f*ck athletes as sort of a reward for volunteer work?
Absolutely not. Any possible interpretation that idiots may make was unambiguously laid to rest earlier.
You are a person of very limited ability.
The concept of innocent until proven guilty went out of the window in the UK years ago.
Who the hell would want to be a coach in the UK (or USA) anymore?
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Coevett wrote:
The concept of innocent until proven guilty went out of the window in the UK years ago.
Who the hell would want to be a coach in the UK (or USA) anymore?
Fully agree esp for non paid uk coaches.
This does not mean that there are many cases that need exposing and prosecuting but the very broad brush of the rumour mill and forces to publicly suspend means that those with lots to loose should stay clear of coaching.Sad, but the new reality.
You lot are completely oblivious.
Firstly, the Reider stuff is the worst kept secret in the sports world...it ain't rumours, its about as factual as a 400m race being 400m long.
Secondly - the sport is riddled with male coaches who think they are god and can treat people how they want, and you all know it. CVC getting his leg over with just about every athlete on the Team, TM banging his athletes in a cupboard, as for the number of perverts currently under investigation
If you're a male coach and nervous...then you have a guilty conscience...if your one of the good guys in the sport, then you have nothing to fear.
Genuinely shocked at how common this seems to be. Like what machiavellian manipulation crap do these middle age coach use to repeatedly end up having sex with (much younger) female athletes in EXCLUSIVELY toxic, borderline abusive, borderline criminally illegal ways over the course of years and decades. And it always happens multiple times before any woman speaks out. And then it's always an open secret that everyone knew about. Like wtf.
Banging athletes as consenting adults in SJW mob infested nations such as USA, Britain and Canada is now a crime. He's in trouble.