Yes or No: do you think Dave Chappelle is transphobic?

not at all wrote:

How is he wrong? How many trans men are profiled by police, choked out in the street and then have half the country tell you its acceptable? A black mans life is of less value in this country than saying homophobic things at a concert. People will try to twist what happened with DaBaby but the bottom line is if a black person cannot entertain you their life has even less value than trans/gay persons feelings. You say he's wrong about this, while providing no evidence of any such thing.

How long ago was the civil rights movement? And how long from slavery to the civil rights movement? How long have rich white men been receiving sex changes? You think hes wrong about the speed of progress? You are purely delusional.

how many laws bar black people from bathrooms or playing sports?

No one is arguing that America is a post racial society (except the conservatives looking to assuage their guilt) but to act as if trans people can just be who they are more than black is simply a lie.

I would agree that trans rights have been quite loud the last few years but it that what upsets you? Speed of progress by any marginalize group is not a bad thing. The argument that some people had to suffer for 200 or 100 or 50 years so everyone has to put their time very small minded. Thus, my original point about Chapelle, he is not transphobic, he is close-minded.

Btw- black people don't need to entertain me to have value. that sounds like a "you" problem.

greg, your alter ego is not impressive.

Let me know when black people can not be killed for minor infractions and have be something that is acceptable not only institutionally but by and large accepted by society. Seems obvious this is Daves point. Being able to walk around dressed as a woman and use a bathroom vs being able to exist and not get killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Btw, I wasn't referring to you, 'you' as in our society does not value a black persons life unless they are someone famous. Just like how DaBaby can kill a random black guy. Hell rappers can rap about killing and kill black folks all they want basically. Thats acceptable. But don't say some homophobic sh!t!

Anyway, done with your straw man defending racism bs. You've drunken that trans koolaid so theres no use.

I watched the special. I'm not really able to work myself into much of a lather over it, but I can see why people are upset. He repeatedly made jokes about trans people's genitalia (basically, "aren't they gross? haha!") and then acted confused about why he is accused of punching down. It felt like he was being deliberately obtuse. I wouldn't say that he's mongering hate, but he is being mean. That's forgivable if it's funny but.... it wasn't funny. Listening to him complain about his fraught relationship with the gay and trans communities for 45 minutes was just tedious.

He kept saying that his problem is with white people, not trans people. Well, now all of his biggest fans are white conservatives. That seems like punishment enough.

Oh yes, I am sure all black people hate Dave and he doesn't sell out every venue to a very diverse and mixed crowd. Just white conservatives lining up to see him. You hit the nail on the head there fella!

not at all wrote:

Oh yes, I am sure all black people hate Dave and he doesn't sell out every venue to a very diverse and mixed crowd. Just white conservatives lining up to see him. You hit the nail on the head there fella!

Why so butthurt? He's right.

More racism, great. If white liberals are mad at Dave that must mean the only people left are white conservatives, right?

not at all wrote:

Oh yes, I am sure all black people hate Dave.

And I am sure that I never said they did. Learn to read!

The fact that he defended JK Rowling means he is either lying to everyone or doesn't really understand context and I'm pretty sure it's the former because he ain't stupid. Political comedy is still politics, and politicians lie constantly to push an agenda. The agenda here is "trans people, wait your turn like we had to because you're getting in the way of our movement"

Jeebus, Dude, you link a special that is over an hour long? Yeah, (I've seen it before) there are some funny things in there. He's just not "all that funny" like I said earlier. He's not consistently great like the list of other comedians I listed in another post. You know that comedy is subjective, right?

Who the heck cares if he is or isn't.

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poleflag13 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FclScfPoKes

This isn't funny? You're a mental balding midget. Well, I don't think you're all that smart, so there's that. You must be Uber stupid, ugly, non-athletic, can't play a cord, poor---and always trying to gain the approvals of others. Yes, you need to grow a spine.

Jeebus, Dude, you link a special that is over an hour long? Yeah, (I've seen it before) there are some funny things in there. He's just not "all that funny" like I said earlier. He's not consistently great like the list of other comedians I listed in another post. You know that comedy is subjective, right?

LOL!!!! The question is do YOU know that comedy is subjective, not me! Your extreme narcism is always your downfall.

Funny how you put Jeebus yet you have zero faith in the Bible and *Jesus*. What a terrible afterlife you'll have as your incessant thirst to throw out stealth brags is your crutch in life as it truly gets you off. You are surely a racist, no doubt about it.

p.s. You didn't have to watch the entire video to see how funny he is. Based on your response, you apparently didn't understand that. It probably bothered you because he's a black comedian and your closet case racism trumped your Letsrun Reputation;)...at least the one that you try to sell anyways.

He's likely not but it's good for business.

You see how excited people get when trans related controversies occur (from both sides).

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RunRagged wrote:

Chapelle raised the question women are constantly told it's bigoted and transphobic to ask: why when liberal-minded people today widely recognize that it's offensive and morally wrong for white people to don blackface in order to mimic, demeaningly stereotype, dehumanize and punch down on black people do those same supposedly liberal-minded people say that when men to do the equivalent to women, it's not just acceptable - it's praiseworthy, brave and progressive?

It's an absurd analogy. Blackface is ridicule and the color of your skin is fixed whereas gender roles are social constructions - anyone can wear heels on any given day, they are not 'women's clothes', they are clothes that belong to the wearer.

The concept of 'races' is also social construction and how your skin color relates to race is a social construction but the actual tone of your skin isn't.

Is race not a social construct? There's some biological basis for the concept of race, but it's obvious, given how the concept of race has been deployed over the years, that it is mostly a social construct. (Were you aware, for instance, that leading scientists used to posit that there was such thing as an "Alpine race"? A "Basque race"? German race, Italian race, Jewish race, etc. If gender is a social construct, race is a social construct.

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RunRagged wrote:

Chapelle raised the question women are constantly told it's bigoted and transphobic to ask: why when liberal-minded people today widely recognize that it's offensive and morally wrong for white people to don blackface in order to mimic, demeaningly stereotype, dehumanize and punch down on black people do those same supposedly liberal-minded people say that when men to do the equivalent to women, it's not just acceptable - it's praiseworthy, brave and progressive?

It's an absurd analogy. Blackface is ridicule and the color of your skin is fixed whereas gender roles are social constructions - anyone can wear heels on any given day, they are not 'women's clothes', they are clothes that belong to the wearer.

The concept of 'races' is also social construction and how your skin color relates to race is a social construction but the actual tone of your skin isn't.

Also, race and skin tone are not that closely correlated. I am black. My gf is black. She is several shades lighter than most South Asian people, but they are not black. They are not of our race. Many Greeks, Portuguese, etc. have quite dark skin, but are considered white b/c of their European origin. Race as it is understood in society is a social construct. It is definitely not firmly tied to skin color.

The Gallant Pig Man wrote:

I watched the special. I'm not really able to work myself into much of a lather over it, but I can see why people are upset. He repeatedly made jokes about trans people's genitalia (basically, "aren't they gross? haha!") and then acted confused about why he is accused of punching down. It felt like he was being deliberately obtuse. I wouldn't say that he's mongering hate, but he is being mean. That's forgivable if it's funny but.... it wasn't funny. Listening to him complain about his fraught relationship with the gay and trans communities for 45 minutes was just tedious.

He kept saying that his problem is with white people, not trans people. Well, now all of his biggest fans are white conservatives. That seems like punishment enough.

I've got news for you that your little progressive bubble may not like, buddy. Black people LOVE Dave Chappelle. I'm black, I live in a black urban area, and almost every black person I know who follows comedy likes Chappelle's act. And they're not political conservatives. I voted for Biden, and Obama, and John Edwards, and John Kerry, and Al Gore. Doesn't mean I want to strike up a witch hunt against Dave, or abolish the police force, or any of this other crazy crap you idiots push.

To be fair he didn't say black people didn't like Chappelle, just that he's suddenly became very popular with white conservatives, who would normally be repulsed by his act.

The simple fact is that making trans jokes causes a lot of noise, but it's only really unpopular with the fringes on the left.

A left wing comic like Ricky Gervais has made a lot of new fans by making trans jokes because it makes a lot of white conservatives feel like he's 'on their team'.