Cool story. My suggestion would be to go run a marathon that is considered aided. California International Marathon comes to mind. Chicago? Why mess around with marathons like Grandma's if you are chasing a PR?
Cool story. My suggestion would be to go run a marathon that is considered aided. California International Marathon comes to mind. Chicago? Why mess around with marathons like Grandma's if you are chasing a PR?
Fixed this for you Flagpole. CIM is excessively aided by the downhill. Not really a test of true fitness. Grandma's is under the drop limit.
You don’t know what you are talking about. CIM is net downhill, but has significant gain as well. It would be faster if it were flat. It has hade perfect weather in recent years.
Fixed this for you Flagpole. CIM is excessively aided by the downhill. Not really a test of true fitness. Grandma's is under the drop limit.
You don’t know what you are talking about. CIM is net downhill, but has significant gain as well. It would be faster if it were flat. It has hade perfect weather in recent years.
Actually the “CIM is aided” guy is right. There were about 70 guys that qualified for the 2020 trials by running between 2:17-2:19, and no more than 10 have run under 2:20 after that. Let me guess, you got your PR at CIM?
Cool story. My suggestion would be to go run a marathon that is considered fast. California International Marathon comes to mind. Chicago? Why mess around with marathons like Grandma's if you are chasing a PR?
I’ve actually run CIM twice and bonked both times at mile 20-21. The first time was 2015. I was on PR pace and then hit a brick wall and was forced to drop out. Then I ran it again in 2018. This is when I was running for Hansons. Same story. I’m thinking my quads just can’t handle the downhills. I picked Houston because it’s known for being fast. Plus I’ve had a lot of success there (2014, 2015). I haven’t figured out my plan yet for the fall of 2022. Chicago is an option. I’ve also considered traveling overseas to a European marathon. We’ll see. Let’s see how Houston goes.
Jon is an amazing dude and a testament to hard work. The limitations he has speed wise (I think his 5k PR is like 14:40-14:50) are more than made up by his work ethic.
He ran 2:17:XX at Grandma’s this year. I believe he is targeting Houston, as are many of the runners he coaches.
He used to post regularly in the Road Racing and Training Thread, but he has a successful coaching business now and he gives back a lot to the running community. He’s easy guy to root for. I hope he blows Houston out of the water.
This is what I’d guess. Good 10k-Marathon, but gonna have a hard time getting much under 15:00 without having sessions going well under 5:00 pace.
Jon is an amazing dude and a testament to hard work. The limitations he has speed wise (I think his 5k PR is like 14:40-14:50) are more than made up by his work ethic.
He ran 2:17:XX at Grandma’s this year. I believe he is targeting Houston, as are many of the runners he coaches.
He used to post regularly in the Road Racing and Training Thread, but he has a successful coaching business now and he gives back a lot to the running community. He’s easy guy to root for. I hope he blows Houston out of the water.
This is what I’d guess. Good 10k-Marathon, but gonna have a hard time getting much under 15:00 without having sessions going well under 5:00 pace.
I am thinking about how Canova is improving his athletes for racing. Before specific training the athlete can have a hard time running with higher lactate without going into the roof, but after some special workouts for the racing, they tend to increase their ability to run at an elevated but for the race distance constant level. SO maybe this is just a matter of stepping down enough and doing race specific for some time. 14min 5k is not absolute speed. Anyone at this level can easily run the 5k pace for let us say 400m so it is not a speed limitation really. It is an anaerobic/aerobic limitation in my mind, but also this is individual of course
A completely different thing. I tried just ONE week of 50% more volume some weeks ago. I am used to a lot of threshold intervals so it was not hard to cope with, but I have definately run a little faster on all I do after that week, so volume models have their benefits..
Just out of curiosity, how much and what do you eat when you train that many miles a week? Answers welcome from anyone that trains that kind of mileage.
It kind of reminds me of the old days of letsrun where someone would start a thread, most likely trolling that they are going to start training mega mileage (e.g. 200 mpw) and post updates of their progress. Then we'd never hear from them again or it was obvious they were full of s#$%.
The big difference is this guy is doing it for real and his data is available for all to see! So it's pretty amazing watch this experiment unfold.