Let me give you a little tip regarding Flagpole: ignore him. When he tries to take over a thread by imposing his political opinions and worldview, just skip right over it. Don't respond in any way. I used to try to engage him and it brought nothing but grief into my life. Now I ignore him. He doesn't warrant one bit of space in my head, and I don't give it to him.
colder and wiser wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
The biggest problem is anyone going to Idaho expecting it to be a pleasant experience filled with capable people.
C'mon, man, we were having a discussion of actual running-related stuff here. This is not the way.
Ok...that's fair.
kmaclam wrote:
[quote]Flagpole wrote:
Well, gotta give them one thing...they aren't stuck on gender as a binary.
Here are the results as listed on their site for the 5k:
https://www.athlinks.com/event/165267/results/Event/822029OVERALL, GENDER, DIVISION, PACE, TIME
Walter Poly, 1, 1, 1, 6:02, 18:47
John Pennington, 2, 2, 1, 6:06, 18:57
Kevin Everett, 3, 3, 2, 6:08, 19:04
Notice that the third person there has a gender defined as "3". That's so progressive, I don't even know what "3" means. A big surprise for Idaho.
A '3' means they got 3rd place for their gender you dolt.
It was a joke, brother.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
In one Cincinnati suburb you have to race in a mask and register as Binary It. 😷
Not sure I follow...binary implies two of something, like male / female. A single option, it, would be a unary choice.
It’s unfortunate to see this thread has been hijacked by politics when there should be a legitimate discussion about a race that:
Didn’t mark it’s course, notably the 10K had no turnaround point (look at the results)
Didn’t provide water at the finish when they had distance up to a marathon.
Didn’t have medical professionals ready at the finish of a marathon causing those in need to wait 20 minutes for ambulances to come for them.
Didn’t provide t-shirts as promised to participants.
I could go on but just pull up the reviews of the marathon on Facebook from yesterday, they’ve pissed a lot of people off.
Flagpole wrote:
The biggest problem is anyone going to Idaho expecting it to be a pleasant experience filled with capable people.
This.
Of course a race in Idaho is plagued with incompetence.
Boise has been highly polarized in terms of its Covid response and a lack of common sense has often prevailed. I have no idea what actually happened, but it is easy to imagine a situation where local officials took a “we’ll let them run but there can only be minimal support” type of approach.
Flagpole wrote:
The biggest problem is anyone going to Idaho expecting it to be a pleasant experience filled with capable people.
What? Why? Weird post....
Idaho was beautiful when I visited.
If not for the 50 States crowd, marathons like Boise or Bismarck would probably have gone belly-up.
5ysfgxh wrote:
Wildly inaccurate post. On every level.
1. See here
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases-50-states/idaho
Hey dummy, your link shows EXACTLY the same thing I said. Lowest 7-day average since August.
Except, that is no real accomplishment and the rate since August has been relatively flat and relatively pathetic. +/-1000+ cases per day, day in-day out for a lousy 2.7M people in a massive state.
Cherry picking some random time point to compare with is pointless and uninformative.
I ran the marathon. They sent out a map the week before, notating where course officials would be, which was key turns and the turnaround. They only had one sign, which was for the turn for the mini loop, then nothing for the other turns or any course officials. Most of the marathon aid stations were a joke as well, no cups, volunteers, or gels, which were promised. I got an extra half mile trying to get back on course. The turnaround point had no signage, minus a 4 inch piece of tape with an arrow. No course officials at the start-finish to talk to afterward about issues.
I had two gels on me, which ended up my total nutrition for this clown show. Finishing as quick as I did with 30 MPH gusts and cold rain, I can't imagine how difficult it was for mid/ back of the pack runners without any real support.
Here is their facebook page, the reviews are still pouring in and as of posting... zero communication from the race:
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Flagpole wrote:
Strangeee3 wrote:
What? Why? Weird post....
Idaho was beautiful when I visited.
I didn't say it wasn't beautiful. I didn't even say you couldn't HAVE a pleasant experience there. I said you should not expect to. The fewer people you cross paths with there, the better your chances of having a pleasant experience. Yes, that is true anywhere, but your odds of running into a sh!t human being are dramatically higher in Idaho than just about any other state...there are some states that compete with Idaho there, but this thread is about Idaho.
Typical, coming from the guy that said 70 million people were either racist or stupid. Oh, and he’s from a suburb of Cincinnati. 😷
still got it wrote:
Boise has been highly polarized in terms of its Covid response and a lack of common sense has often prevailed. I have no idea what actually happened, but it is easy to imagine a situation where local officials took a “we’ll let them run but there can only be minimal support” type of approach.
I would say this is in large part the problem. Boise is controlled by a liberal minority. The Governor rides the fence between factions instead of leading from the front. Creates a confusing environment regardless of your political views. Several races that were on the fall schedule including the well attended YMCA Christmas Run have been pulled. It will be interesting to see in the Turkey Day 5k goes off. In 2019 this races had well over 5,000 entrants.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
still got it wrote:
Boise has been highly polarized in terms of its Covid response and a lack of common sense has often prevailed. I have no idea what actually happened, but it is easy to imagine a situation where local officials took a “we’ll let them run but there can only be minimal support” type of approach.
I would say this is in large part the problem. Boise is controlled by a liberal minority. The Governor rides the fence between factions instead of leading from the front. Creates a confusing environment regardless of your political views. Several races that were on the fall schedule including the well attended YMCA Christmas Run have been pulled. It will be interesting to see in the Turkey Day 5k goes off. In 2019 this races had well over 5,000 entrants.
I was surprised to see they are letting the HS XC state meet and NXR NW both happen in Boise (really Eagle) with spectators. I wonder how much they will be scaling back spectators, awards, etc.
As you know they pulled the Bob Firman Meet at the last minute. I have noticed attendance at the YMCA has increased; perhaps just the cold weather. The Covid numbers have tapered a bit. They are having swim meets and practice at the West Y, but if you are not in the pool you have to wear a mask.
Another comment on Boise races, most are fun raising opportunities for various organizations. Larger ones like the Turkey Day 5k are administered by outside groups. If there is a problem, good luck with that. I tried to tell them their mile markers were off; no one seemed to care. One of the larger races is the Fit One administered by a large hospital system has a 5k that measures 2.8 miles. This large race with thousands of entrants was live cancelled with two weeks to go. The YMCA sponsored races are generally well run, but many have been cancelled in the Covid era. There appears to be a lack of professionalism and safety in the Boise Marathon event which should not happen. Shameful.
Billies wrote:. No course officials at the start-finish to talk to afterward about issues.
Here is their facebook page, the reviews are still pouring in and as of posting... zero communication from the race:
https://www.facebook.com/boisemarathon/reviews/
Race officials leaving immediately after the start of the race is ultra shady.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Back to the Boise Marathon, a couple of points. In the current Covid environment probably difficult to get corporate sponsors of size. Late October is not ideal for a marathon in Boise, climate can be a factor, as it was. Yesterday was rainy, cold, nasty day. Lastly, a Sunday race in Idaho? Big church day in this state. Hard to get both volunteers and participants. My understanding was the previous sponsors of this race were largely out-of-staters. Not sure about this group.
serious marathoners, with the exception of Mormons skip church for their goal race. Almost every serious long distance race is on Sunday. I can see volunteers being difficult to get, but good on Boise for not turning into Utah light.