After this morning’s result I’m struggling to find enjoyment in following this sport

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""""""'"--';"- wrote:

Yeah it's pretty rampant with PED use. Easy to beat the testing. early reminiscent of the Lance Armstrong cycling days.

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""""""'"--';"- always tries hard with his posts but every time he makes one, he proves that he's an obtuse dolt.

New username for him - STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""""""'"--';"- aka dolt

Dog Trainer Elite wrote:

Be truthful. The disappointment stems from the fact that an African woman just la it d down a mark that only a handful of American men can run. If she jumped up to a marathon, based on today's result, she could make our mens Olympic squad and possibly be ranked #1 except for Galen Rupp.

Dope. Super shoes. Whatever excuse you want to throw at her. American (European also) long distance running needs to undergo a wholesale change of training methodology and risk taking if it ever wants to sniff at being competitive again. Performances like this are a wakeup call or proof that we are less than exceptional in this endeavor.

What "wholesale change" do you recommend? What risks? More than one prominent coach has said you that the top people are already training as hard as they can train. What secret methods remain? I think the answer to this mystery is the same as it's always been- people with a slight inherited advantage due to generation after generation living and adapting to altitude exploiting massive loopholes to dominate.

Coaches and pros in this country know more than they've ever known about training methodology, nutrition, recovery, etc., and yet we get further behind because there's not enough "risk taking?" Come on.

Oh so now you're referencing Physiology literature?

Let us know when you've figured it all out Mr. Clean.

Oh so now you're referencing Physiology literature?

Let us know when you've figured it all out Mr. Clean.

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Dude you sound like a MAGAwhiner. When elections don't go their way they cry foul. Until a test confirms she is positive just stfu please.

I think we would all be better off if we just follow the last sentence of this.

To the OP, the best way to enjoy the sport is to think like rekrunner and most of the fans on this board, that no one is ever doping - even when they have been caught and banned. Like Shelby. What you choose not to see will not bother you.

Did Gidey run this HM on the FSU cross country course? Probably worth a 64 then.

It is hard to take WRs seriously these days especially when runners come out of nowhere and we have never heard of them before and there names are so obscure that we can't remember or pronounce them. Technology and pharmaceuticals have produced a ridiculous number of 2:03 or 2:04 guys. The only WR I take seriously now is Bekele's marathon WR because we all know he is the greatest and he has proven himself before Jakob Ingebregstein was born or 911 happened. He proved himself long before technology took over shoes 4 years ago. I for one am more excited to see his WR next year and CR in New York in a few weeks

RunningFromTime wrote:

You're an idiot - The Tokyo 10k was run under oppressive heat and humidity. Gidey tried to push the pace hard in the middle 5-6k to drop hassan but was unsuccessful, paid the price, and everyone knows she lacks a kick

If you can't be amazed and "joyful" after this half marathon this morning, maybe look into therapy to think through your issues

You are an idiot

When Paula Radcliffe ran 2;15.25, in 2002 the WR was held by Khalid Khanouchi. 2;05.38. She was 92.7% of the men's WR. That was a huge step that was expected since the women's WR in the 100 had already been in that territory for a while. Of course we knew the reason in the 100m.

As distances increase we expect the differences in WR's. to decrease as more of the endurance component start to take over and the advantage of muscular explosiveness starts to be of lesser importance. Look at ultramarathon records and women long distance swimming to get an idea. While the difference in running events is about 10%. In jumping events it's about 15%. Explosiveness.

This mark is 91.5% of the men's WR for half marathon. So it's still not anywhere close to the mark of Paula Radcliffe in 2002. The current women's WR in the marathon is 90.7% of the men's. She exceeds it

https://zigapskraba.com/2016/09/15/womens-world-records-compared-against-mens-world-records-in-track-field/

Event Men’s WR Women’s WR Percentage of the WR Inferior by

100m 9.58 10.49 91.33% 8.67%

200m 19.19 21.34 89.93% 10.07%

400m 43.03 47.60 90.40% 9.60%

800m 1:40.91 1.53.28 89.08% 10.92%

1500m 3:26.00 3:50.07 89.54% 10.46%

5000m 12:35.36 14:06.62 89.22% 10.78%

10000m 26:11.00 29:01.03 90.23% 9.77%

Marathon 02:01:39 02:14:04 90.74% 9.26%

4x100m Relay 36.84 40.82 90.25% 9.75%

4x400m Relay 2:54.29 3:15.17 89.30% 10.70%

Long jump 8.95 7.52 84.02% 15.98%

Triple jump 18.29 15.67 85.68% 14.32%

High jump 2.45 2.09 85.31% 14.69%

Pole vault 6.18 5.06 82.14% 17.86

Thank you. Nice overview. I don't really see a trend from 100 m to the marathon though.

Also, let's discard the most likely wind-aided 10.49, and add Gidey's 1:02:52:

Event Men’s WR Women’s WR Percentage of the WR Inferior by

100m 9.58 10.54 90.89% 9.11%

200m 19.19 21.34 89.93% 10.07%

400m 43.03 47.60 90.40% 9.60%

800m 1:40.91 1.53.28 89.08% 10.92%

1500m 3:26.00 3:50.07 89.54% 10.46%

5000m 12:35.36 14:06.62 89.22% 10.78%

10000m 26:11.00 29:01.03 90.23% 9.77%

Half-mara 00:57:32 01:02:52 91.52 8.48

Marathon 02:01:39 02:14:04 90.74% 9.26%

That half marathon does stand out.

(Lost the %: Half-mara 00:57:32 01:02:52 91.52% 8.48%)

One should add that the women can get pacing all the way only in the half-marathon and marathon, which should help decreasing the difference between men and women over those two distances.

RunningFromTime wrote:

You're an idiot - The Tokyo 10k was run under oppressive heat and humidity. Gidey tried to push the pace hard in the middle 5-6k to drop hassan but was unsuccessful, paid the price, and everyone knows she lacks a kick

If you can't be amazed and "joyful" after this half marathon this morning, maybe look into therapy to think through your issues

A bit harsh, don't you think?

Nothing wrong with questioning a performance. I believe that's the purpose of this site.

Relax.

The supershoes (and much of the creeping commercialism) has totally ruined the sport for me as a fan, and somewhat as a competitor, too. I'm not going to wear supershoes and I'm uninterested in racing against people with go go gadget Bond trinkets reaching times their actual human bodies have no business reaching.

Take up golf.

Armstronglivs wrote:

To the OP, the best way to enjoy the sport is to think like rekrunner and most of the fans on this board, that no one is ever doping - even when they have been caught and banned. Like Shelby. What you choose not to see will not bother you.

You know, millions of Americans watch professional wrestling and will swear what they're seeing is legitimate. Kind of the same thing you're suggesting here. But when someone like Anne Audain says she's done following the sport until there's real drug testing everywhere there has to be a problem.

HRE wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

To the OP, the best way to enjoy the sport is to think like rekrunner and most of the fans on this board, that no one is ever doping - even when they have been caught and banned. Like Shelby. What you choose not to see will not bother you.

You know, millions of Americans watch professional wrestling and will swear what they're seeing is legitimate. Kind of the same thing you're suggesting here. But when someone like Anne Audain says she's done following the sport until there's real drug testing everywhere there has to be a problem.

No, the problem is idiots like you. You people ARE the Drug problem but you're too ignorant to see it.

Her time doesn't feel any less legit. I always sensed her best distances are longer than 10,000. Her form is just so smooth and effortless.