Have you actually tried them? I suggest you do.
Have you actually tried them? I suggest you do.
Unpopular Hot Take wrote:
Unpopular Opinion: Sorry but there’s no such thing as super shoes. Anything you can do in super shoes you can do in trainers or regular racing flats.
The Super Shoes aren’t giving you any extra talent. They don’t have wheels.
This isn't even an opinion it's just an incorrect statement
Yeah you can't argue that shoes don't help. Some people respond better than others & my opinion is that some people place too much emphasis on the shoes which takes away from the racing. The sub-1:03 today was still probably worth something in the :30-1:00 slower range. Still incredible. Would rather talk about that than what shoes they had on.
And people continue to not understand anything. This stupid super shoes thing (and even the name super is something really ugly) is so much overrated. Yes of course are great confortable shoes but should not be considered like some kind of mechanical doping. The real doping we all know what is , and it's what can really give a boost in the performance , togheter with better training and of course the natural improvment of human performance generation after generation. We should not forget that in 2014 so 7 years ago Dennis Kimetto ran 2:02:57 in Berlin marathon without supershoes. So you want to tell me that if Kimetto had supershoes back then he ran a sub 2:02 back in 2014?????? No way!!!! We have Eliud Kipchoge and Kennensa Bekele run sub 2:02 in 2018 and 2019 years later Kimetto not because they had supershoes but because Eliud is the GOAT of marathon and Bekele is the GOAT in track distance and crosscountry
So you’re too slow to even be posting on the boards in the first place. This is an awful take. The super shoes make a big difference
There is a placebo effect on a lot of people who want to believe in them and are delusional about running mechanics.
A placebo effect can't break world records, and there's nothing out of the ordinary in the progressions, except maybe in half marathon which is easily explained by the explosion in elite participation.
more like 100% pure profit.
Bad Wigins wrote:
There is a placebo effect on a lot of people who want to believe in them and are delusional about running mechanics.
A placebo effect can't break world records, and there's nothing out of the ordinary in the progressions, except maybe in half marathon which is easily explained by the explosion in elite participation.
Every part of this is wrong
Terrible, terrible troll attempt. But hey, he made it on the front page so what do I know.
That's a whole lotta placebo effect
Unpopular Hot Take wrote:
Unpopular Opinion: Sorry but there’s no such thing as super shoes. Anything you can do in super shoes you can do in trainers or regular racing flats.
The Super Shoes aren’t giving you any extra talent. They don’t have wheels.
This should be the consensus opinion.
Unpopular Hot Take wrote:
Unpopular Opinion: Sorry but there’s no such thing as super shoes. Anything you can do in super shoes you can do in trainers or regular racing flats.
The Super Shoes aren’t giving you any extra talent. They don’t have wheels.
The laws of physics remain true no matter how ignorant you are...
This isn't an "unpopular" opinion it's an idiotic opinion.
And your evidence other than a keyboard warrior opinion is what, exactly?
Before Covid i used to take part very regularly in weekly local road cares and finishes on podium at times. Suddenly the Super shoe hit the market and people could purchase it. And so i did an observation on the top local runners who were suddenly wearing it. Let me tell you this, it is not a Hype. Maybe 60% Hype but 40% is undeniable it boost your stride length and makes your times faster. For 35 minute runner i would say around 1-2 minutes. Forefoot strikers will benefit most.
Bad Wigins wrote:
There is a placebo effect on a lot of people who want to believe in them and are delusional about running mechanics.
A placebo effect can't break world records, and there's nothing out of the ordinary in the progressions, except maybe in half marathon which is easily explained by the explosion in elite participation.
I admire your commitment to finding very single thread on this site and figuring out a contrarian take. It's quite impressive.
British Guy wrote:
Unpopular Hot Take wrote:
Unpopular Opinion: Sorry but there’s no such thing as super shoes. Anything you can do in super shoes you can do in trainers or regular racing flats.
The Super Shoes aren’t giving you any extra talent. They don’t have wheels.
This isn't even an opinion it's just an incorrect statement
I agree. I see a bunch of high school kids wearing them and running PRs. The playing field is not completely level without these shoes, although, I would agree that not everyone is a super responder. I am thinking about buying the Brooks Hyperion Elite 2s for my daughter, because they seem the least advantageous. Does anyone have experience with these?
They are the best shoes ever, but I agree they don't make you incredibly faster. Maybe a tiny amount faster. Their benefits come in injury prevention, and the ability to be less sore after hard efforts and train hard soon after. I'm sub-elite/elite depending on what your thresholds are. Half of my post college D1 career was with the old shoes and now with the new 'super shoes'. A couple of my road distance PRs are still with the Nike Streaks, and in some races I did PR with the 'super shoes', but then I ran yet another PR of the same equivalent again with the 'super shoes'. So was the first PR only because of the super shoes, and then the next PRs were because I was actually getting faster? And when doing workouts, I might be several seconds faster wearing 'super shoes' than in trainers, but if I wore any racing shoe I would be several seconds faster per mile than trainers. Therefore I think they only make a second or two per mile difference at the very most, maybe tenths of a second. So we're talking a minute or less difference in a marathon, 30 seconds or less in a half marathon, like 15 seconds or less in a 10k... I'm sure there have been advancements in the past that allowed people to run a second per mile faster. Perhaps going from cinder tracks to eventually mondo tracks, way bigger difference.
Sub-9 guy wrote:
British Guy wrote:
This isn't even an opinion it's just an incorrect statement
I agree. I see a bunch of high school kids wearing them and running PRs. The playing field is not completely level without these shoes, although, I would agree that not everyone is a super responder. I am thinking about buying the Brooks Hyperion Elite 2s for my daughter, because they seem the least advantageous. Does anyone have experience with these?
Don't high school kids often set PRs? My freshman year I started out at 10:48 3200, was 10:16 by the end of the season, lots of PRs between. When I was a sophomore I opened up at 9:56 and got down to 9:44, multiple PRs between. Junior year I opened up at 9:36 and got down to 9:24, multiple Prs between. Senior year I opened up at 9:14 and got down to 9:05, a couple PRs between. Just because someone runs a PR doesn't mean it's beacause of new shoes. Especially in high school, or even college, or soon after college. People at these ages are still getting faster. Shoes aren't the only reason someone could possibly run faster. The world records a decade ago, several years before 'super shoes' were 58:23 half marathon, 2:03:38 marathon in 2011 and 2:02:57 in 2014. Why do we think these marks are the fastest they should get? The world records in these events have been beaten every couple years for decades and decades. Obviously if these marks were put up 7-10 years ago they should be beat now, it makes sense that we might have an upper 57 world record half, and a low 2:02 or sub 2:02 marathon. To me we are exactly where we should be in this progression. Maybe we're 15 seconds ahead in the half, or 30 seconds ahead in the full marathon, but it's not like super shoes make you SO MUCH faster. It's barely anything, maybe a second per mile.
Study the world record progressions and tell me that these drops in mens WR times have never happened before.
One more stat.
The longest amount of time a world record half marathon has lasted is 5.5 years, and that happened twice since 1960. Once in the 1970's when the world record was in the 63's and again in the early 2000's when the record was around 59:10. Every other time the world record was broken it was broke again in less than 5 years. The world record before super shoes was 58:23 in 2010. Again why do we think no one can run faster than that? From looking at history we should have two or three more world records since then and that's what we've gotten. A 58:18 (barely a WR) and then 58:01, and finally the current 57:32. Do the shoes help a little bit and maybe that 57:32 performance is a 57:48 equivalence with old shoes? Maybe, but I'm not going to lose sleep over 15 seconds in a half marathon.
And now the marathon. Since 1998 the longest a world record has lasted is 4 years. At the beginning of 1998 the record was 2:06:50, 2:05:38 in 2002, 204:55 in 2003, 2:03:59 in 2008, 2:02:57 in 2014. Why are we shocked that it's now 2:01:39? Especially when the 'Greatest distance runner of all time Bekele' ran 2:01:41. The record should certainly be faster than 2:02:57 by now, so maybe the shoes make a difference of 45 seconds in a marathon and the 'real' record with old shoes would now be 2:02:24... Either way, we're talking about a second or two per mile in a marathon.
Sub-9 guy wrote:
British Guy wrote:
This isn't even an opinion it's just an incorrect statement
I agree. I see a bunch of high school kids wearing them and running PRs. The playing field is not completely level without these shoes, although, I would agree that not everyone is a super responder. I am thinking about buying the Brooks Hyperion Elite 2s for my daughter, because they seem the least advantageous. Does anyone have experience with these?
High school kids running PRs? The sport is ruined!