GOAT status wrote:
As a famous athlete once said....You don't peak twice. He will run some races but he will never be competitive at the world stage again.
John Walker? World mile record in 1975 then 7 years later ran his personal record.
GOAT status wrote:
As a famous athlete once said....You don't peak twice. He will run some races but he will never be competitive at the world stage again.
John Walker? World mile record in 1975 then 7 years later ran his personal record.
One of the most exciting ever at his peak, Asbel. Of course, we wonder how many years he may have been using PEDs.
Taking time off, I think of Centro -- ran 3:33 this year after (essentially) taking 2020 off. It's hard for any top guy to return to your peak after a layoff of a year or more.
Even Jim Ryun took a year off and wasn't the same, even though he ran 3:52.8 in 1972.
MakhDaddy virtually took 3 years off and came back to win silver in Doha at 31.
Kiprop has been able to train all this time, it's not as if he's been injured four years.
whose wife will he be banging this time?
I'm excited for Kiprop's return. Don't know if I can find the quote but I remember rojo around 2017 once saying the athlete it would be most devastating to see get busted would be Kiprop, because he already has the perfect natural body for running. And it was really devastating, especially to see him choose not fight the charges in court.
I thought he would retire. But in the years since, it seems like he really has been keeping at it or at least maintaining his innocence. I'm not 100% sold that justice was served.
Put it this way: The three fastest men in history at the 1500 are El G, Lagat, and Kiprop. Only one of them has served a doping ban. If you had to rank them from most to least dirty, where would you put them?
Kiprop certainly wouldn't be #1 on that list, and may even be #3 if you consider Lagat's A sample positive. Yet he's the only one to have served time. Of course justice doesn't work like that, just because one guy gets off doesn't mean the crime is OK. but it does make me skeptical about who exactly is getting busted recently.
54he wrote:
Coach JS has no problem coaching convicted dopers.
https://i.ibb.co/SBYqNgy/jak.png
Well......I will put some words about this case again. I have no problems to coach a runner when I`m 100%
convinced not a doper! This doping case with Asbel is one of history`s strangest I say......even the great Canova
scratched his head about this. Kiprop has been tested with blood/urine samples countless times through his
succesful approximately 10 years in the world elite without any suspected banned substances.
Why all of a sudden destroy his career with EPO when he is one of the greatest talents at middle distance ever??
In addition ,he took the lead in fighting doping among Kenyan runners and told the young generation to stay clean before this happened.
So many data / events/ factors in this case suggests he was a victim of a plot.I coached his comeback for a short time until he told me he had trouble to find motivation for a comeback. Later on we chat again and he told he had changed his mind and had decided to try for a comeback again with the help of his father( a former elite 1500m runner ). It then looks he really will do a comeback when he will be allowed to race again in February next year. I wish him good speed! :)
- The Magic WIZARD J.S -
ronniekray wrote:
whose wife will he be banging this time?
Yours.
I appreciate the response, but I feel you are willfully pulling the wool over your own eyes. We all know a 14 year old in the USA will not have easy access to EPO, yet we have seen that it is very easily obtained in Kenya. Do I think all 14 year olds are doping? Of course not ...
But to suggest someone winning Jr world cross from an area rampant with both age and drug cheats, I'd say at very least you better put a big asterisk by that.
And of course he is supremely talented...no one goes from a no-talent to world class because of drugs. You already have to be elite to become a WR holder, major meet winner, or Oly champ (with drugs).
I am on of the few that isn't even upset by doping, I get why it is done and I don't even think it should be illegal. We should test for blood values in a range, and that's it. Use what you want, but keep it in some "healthy" range. Like how for HCT it is 50% or lower.
I know you don't know me from "Adam", but I have been vocal in the doping scene since 2003 in cycling. I was calling Armstrong and USPS out then, and of course berated heavily. You know, cancer rebuilt his body, etc. But yea, he won WC at 21 or something like that....doping.
People who think he's had an easy, relaxing, laid back time of it, staying race fit, will be disappointed. He was shunned by the athletics community and was actually depressed to the point of being suicidal, that the police had to relieve him of his weapon and force him to seek psychological help, for his own safety. He'd also gained enough poundage to start looking like a normal human being. I don't expect him to be lighting up the track like he used to.
Frankly, I'm more excited about Elijah Manangoi's return. He seems to have seen to his injury issues during his ban and is no longer given to flashy posts on Instagram. He's putting in the work and believes he'd have won Tokyo, so there's a sense of unfinished business there. Keep an eye on old boy.
https://twitter.com/Manangoi_lion/status/1422470066650689552?s=20
https://twitter.com/Manangoi_lion/status/1420287732270739460?s=20
Manangoi: Good to see him back and unlikely that he was a doper. It seems he was just negligent as well as his management team. The time has gone so quickly that it really did not seem long and with the advent of COVID-19 when a lot of athletes were laid low anyway he is lucky in the sense that coming back will be a less painful affair if things get back to normal on the pandemic front.
Unlike fellow policeman Asbel Kiprop, I think Elijah M. has a good chance to get back to his previous level. Manangoi also usually appears more modest, self effacing and low-key in his dealings with the public.
Kiprop, the (formerly) pencil thin, always elegantly attired Police Inspector from Eldoret, had been in the news in the past for a few different minor scandals which didn’t help his image in the eyes of the public. Hopefully, with advancing age those escapades will be a thing of the past for Kiprop.
Not sure if both men are friends but I have a feeling they mutually respect each other without being great friends because in many ways they appear to be polar opposites.
Yeah, but at least El G and Lagat were competing against a sizeable selection of other EPO heads. Kiprop was the post full throttle EPO era and cheating (along with Ramzi) the likes of Nick Willis out of Olympic Gold and sporting immortality.
Surprised Rojo is a fan of somebody who robbed Nick Willis of an Olympic Gold.
Ghost1 wrote:
Unlike fellow policeman Asbel Kiprop, I think Elijah M. has a good chance to get back to his previous level. Manangoi also usually appears more modest, self effacing and low-key in his dealings with the public.
Not sure if both men are friends but I have a feeling they mutually respect each other without being great friends because in many ways they appear to be polar opposites.
Sorry to have to correct you there Ghost, but Manangoi boasted he was going to beat El G's WR at Monaco just days after Kiprop's original bust.
His social media posts have always been full of bling and flashing his (relative) wealth.
And as far as I understand, Managoi and Kiprop were more than just friends, and he has stated that Kiprop was his mentor.
His excuses for missing tests were hard to believe, including stuck in a 4 am traffic jam from Nairobi to rural Rongei. His form collapsed before his third missed test, his sudden withdrawal from Doha at the last moment, his kid brother's simultaneous collapse in form etc.
I feel sorry for Kiprop because it's clear that he does believe himself that he is innocent. That might be because he has some form of mental illness or perhaps he was indeed stitched up in some way.
Most likely he has always been taking EPO but he is bitter that the Kenyan testers finally did not accept his usual tea money bribe on the occasion he was busted.
Yes, based on what you say and what other people have said regarding E. M. some people will have doubts about the veracity of his claims. We just have to move on.
On another note, someone had cast doubts that A.Kiprop had ever worked a day in his life as a police officer but this link would suggest otherwise.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CKG_ZGLFvWA/?utm_medium=copy_link
I hope that now you are okay, man
There is also this, lol.
https://runningmagazine.ca/uncategorized/world-and-olympic-champion-to-be-arrested-for-assault/
Revisionist Coevett strikes again with enough smears and slander in one post to keep him in debt for perpetuity if they sue.
Ghost1 wrote:
Yes, based on what you say and what other people have said regarding E. M. some people will have doubts about the veracity of his claims. We just have to move on.
On another note, someone had cast doubts that A.Kiprop had ever worked a day in his life as a police officer but this link would suggest otherwise.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CKG_ZGLFvWA/?utm_medium=copy_link
Don't believe that nutter. The problem with Elijah was he'd travel all over the place (as far as Germany in one case) without informing the delegate charged with logging in his whereabouts information. The instance of the delayed flight, for example, was true and easily verifiable. The important thing is, he accepted responsibility and understands that if he can post on IG, he shouldn't have to delegate updating his whereabouts to a proxy.
And George's form did not collapse mysteriously. He joined the army and got posted to a sea level base for at least a year.
@CLEOPATRA Lol, you really are a headcase. He claimed he got stuck in a traffic jam going to Rongei at the end of a night shift working for the police.
“Selected on the same Kenyan team as Asbel Kiprop (the three-time world 1500m champion) was very important. He became a mentor to me and gave me heaps of advice. He told me stories of his career and his championship experiences. He taught me how to run on the Diamond League circuit, many things.
“He played a very important part in me winning silver in Beijing.
On May 2, 2018, it was first reported that Kiprop had tested positive for the banned performance-enhancing substance EPO in November 201.
On his Monaco chances in 2018 :
{quote]Manangoi says he is focused on taking a shot at the 20-year record (03:26), which Moroccan Hicham El Guerrouj set in 1998. Manangoi boasts the ninth fastest time in 1,500m history with a 3:28.80 set in Monaco in 2016.
"Eyes on world record," said Manangoi on Tuesday in Nairobi. "All training has gone well and hopefully a fast time will fall in place for me." Manangoi and Cheruiyot traveled together, but there will be no love lost when they meet on the track in Monaco.[/quote}
The Manangois ran 3:32 and 3:34 in Doha in May 2019 in the first DL Grand Prix, then both mysteriously tanked two weeks later in Stockholm, with George finishing 8th in 3:43 and Elijah in 10th.
Geroge managed to find his form again to run a 3:31 in Monaco, but tanked at Doha and went out in the first round. He then apparently made the decision to skip Tokyo to join the army after Elijah's ban was announced.
Elijah tanked came back to win the Kenyan trials a couple of weeks after dodging his first test, then mysteriously pulled out a day or two before the Championships began. He then missed two more tests to get the ban.
https://www.athleticsintegrity.org/downloads/pdfs/disciplinary-process/en/AIU-19-394_MANANGOI_-FINAL-DECISION.pdfhttp://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-07/18/c_137332373.htmhttps://worldathletics.org/news/series/elijah-manangoi-1500m-breakthroughHe was already going downhill, he doped to try and keep his career going, and he got caught. Even if he were legally allowed to compete for Kenya in international events now, he wouldn't even be able to qualify for the Kenyan team. Kiprop is dirty and irrelevant. Next