El Keniano wrote:
https://twitter.com/KipropAsbel/status/1450553509435281411?s=20
what the heck is wrong with track and field? How can this guy, who was full-on EPO doping, be returning to competition already? an absolute sham.
On the other hand you have Al Sal who 1) did some tests on his assistant coach 2) told his athlete that they weren't at an optimum racing weight and BOOM lifetime ban. What. The. Hell.
Ghost1 wrote:
Five is the magic number wrote:
Hope to see him in the 10000 meters during the next year.
Asbel Kiprop: 5000 Metres 13:48.43 Mumias (KEN) 26 FEB 2016
Not sure if he has any plans to run long distances as the longest distance he has run, aside from cross country, is a 5000 m in Mumias (altitude 4189 Ft/1270 m) which basically is no different from sea level but is normally a hot place only a few degrees cooler than Mombasa, but significantly warmer than Nairobi and the Rift Valley, so taking all this into account I’m thinking that even at his best with all the base mileage he did, he probably could’ve been a 13:15/27:30 type runner or faster with his base training.
He is similar in size and weight to French star Bob Tahri, and the latter has similar pbs at 5000 and 10,000 m but was not successful at moving up to the half marathon and marathon later in his career, at the tail end.
Personally, I think that Kiprop would not be suited with his morphology, to becoming a top star in the half marathon and marathon but I would be very happy to be wrong on that. It would be rather amazing and surprising if he became a 2:05:00 type marathon runner.
It should be noted, that despite the naysayers, there are still many people in the Rift Valley who support the pencil thin, always elegantly attired Chief Police Inspector, Asbel Kiprop.
Others will find it intriguing, or perhaps surprising, that someone with this role (chief police Inspector) could be accused of a doping infraction.
He has done zero police work in his life
He is a doper and a cheat and still lying about it.
How much is EPO worth over 1500m. I think some conveniently forget that EPO actually works...on everyone.
What should we add to his to his times 5 seconds is a very conservative estimate. he would have won no global medals without doping. Nobody wins gold then starts doping. Every performance he ever did should have bee struck off the books along with the doping apologists on here.
Ghost1 wrote:
Kiprop was born June 30, 1989 so he will be 33 years old next season, in 2022. It would be astonishing, I think, for him to get back to his previous level but if I’m pessimistic in that regard, I stand corrected. To get back to the same level in middle-distance running would be unprecedented.
You are not thinking of this right. Kiprop was actually busted for doping, served 3 years. If he gets back to his previous level, it will be due to doping! He was never a natural 3:26 guy and probably not sub 3:29 either.
I am interested in seeing what he can do, but if he starts popping sub 3:30s again he will automatically be guilty.
Ghost1 wrote:
Others will find it intriguing, or perhaps surprising, that someone with this role (chief police Inspector) could be accused of a doping infraction.
No, found guilty of a doping infraction.
Oh Please wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
Kiprop was born June 30, 1989 so he will be 33 years old next season, in 2022. It would be astonishing, I think, for him to get back to his previous level but if I’m pessimistic in that regard, I stand corrected. To get back to the same level in middle-distance running would be unprecedented.
You are not thinking of this right. Kiprop was actually busted for doping, served 3 years. If he gets back to his previous level, it will be due to doping! He was never a natural 3:26 guy and probably not sub 3:29 either.
I am interested in seeing what he can do, but if he starts popping sub 3:30s again he will automatically be guilty.
How do you know that doing didn't just help him reach his potential while being lazy?
Like if he trained all out he'd be a 3:26 guy but that takes a lot of work and you might get hurt training that much. Instead, you run 80% of the mileage and dope and blow off the off seasons and are just as good.
To act like Kiprop isn't a supreme talent is absurd. He won world junior xc. Not many milers do that. Or do you think he was on drugs then as well?
Just because you get popped later in your career that doesn't mean you were always on drugs. Despite her doping suspension, for example, I dont' think Mary Slaney was on drugs at age 14.
And yes, in the past, I've said if you get popped for intentional doping you should be banned entirely and have all of your records stripped, but I'm pumped to see Kiprop come back. Call me a hypocrite. It makes one of the sports most interesting events even more interesting.
Funny that the first two posts on this thread were El Kenaino and Ghost1, two of the biggest doping apologists this site has ever seen.
He was in the Olympic final back in 2008, right? IF he even makes the same final in 2024, wouldn't that be the largest span of finals over the 1500 meters in Olympic history?
rojo wrote:
Oh Please wrote:
You are not thinking of this right. Kiprop was actually busted for doping, served 3 years. If he gets back to his previous level, it will be due to doping! He was never a natural 3:26 guy and probably not sub 3:29 either.
I am interested in seeing what he can do, but if he starts popping sub 3:30s again he will automatically be guilty.
How do you know that doing didn't just help him reach his potential while being lazy?
Like if he trained all out he'd be a 3:26 guy but that takes a lot of work and you might get hurt training that much. Instead, you run 80% of the mileage and dope and blow off the off seasons and are just as good.
To act like Kiprop isn't a supreme talent is absurd. He won world junior xc. Not many milers do that. Or do you think he was on drugs then as well?
Just because you get popped later in your career that doesn't mean you were always on drugs. Despite her doping suspension, for example, I dont' think Mary Slaney was on drugs at age 14.
And yes, in the past, I've said if you get popped for intentional doping you should be banned entirely and have all of your records stripped, but I'm pumped to see Kiprop come back. Call me a hypocrite. It makes one of the sports most interesting events even more interesting.
Rojo: +1 - you are correct and there is a lot of conjecture with regard to doping and the benefits given and nobody can be sure and especially we cannot be sure about the timelines and when the benefits were accrued and when they were diminished.
I am almost certain that he (Kiprop) will never get near 3:30.00 again but if I’m wrong I stand corrected.
Let’s let the man (Asbel) get on with his life and I think he has suffered enough already and please let’s also remember that he was on the verge of suicide during the debacle a couple of years ago. He was a desperate man then.
Lastly, someone suggested that Kiprop has never worked a day in his life as a police inspector but that is doubtful because during the whole period of time when he was banned from participating in athletics it is reasonable to assume that he resumed his duties in the police department or else how else would he have earned enough money to live and provide for his family?
Some people will argue that he had earned enough money from his previous life as a professional runner but as we know many Kenyan elite runners have a tendency to burn through the money they earn on the European running circuit very fast and don’t invest wisely. I’m not saying Kiprop belongs in that group but it does happen frequently.
should be studying 102 wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
https://twitter.com/KipropAsbel/status/1450553509435281411?s=20what the heck is wrong with track and field? How can this guy, who was full-on EPO doping, be returning to competition already? an absolute sham.
On the other hand you have Al Sal who 1) did some tests on his assistant coach 2) told his athlete that they weren't at an optimum racing weight and BOOM lifetime ban. What. The. Hell.
I'm completely on board with booing Kiprop but miss me with this supposed sob story about sleazy Sal being unfairly punished.
He’s been monk mode for 4 years and has emerged as a sigma male. Look out.
But seriously he served his time and looking forward to some entertaining efforts on the track
Oh Please wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
Kiprop was born June 30, 1989 so he will be 33 years old next season, in 2022. It would be astonishing, I think, for him to get back to his previous level but if I’m pessimistic in that regard, I stand corrected. To get back to the same level in middle-distance running would be unprecedented.
You are not thinking of this right. Kiprop was actually busted for doping, served 3 years. If he gets back to his previous level, it will be due to doping! He was never a natural 3:26 guy and probably not sub 3:29 either.
I am interested in seeing what he can do, but if he starts popping sub 3:30s again he will automatically be guilty.
He won't be dropping sub-3:30s. He had already ceded the crown to the RAC boys the year he got popped and was planning to move up to the 5K. I think the ban might make those distances longer so maybe the 10K or even the half? We'll see.
Ghost1 wrote:
Five is the magic number wrote:
Hope to see him in the 10000 meters during the next year.
Asbel Kiprop: 5000 Metres 13:48.43 Mumias (KEN) 26 FEB 2016
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Others will find it intriguing, or perhaps surprising, that someone with this role (chief police Inspector) could be accused of a doping infraction.
Kiprop aside, i've yet to hear of any police force in any country that is free of crime and corruption. Kenya ranks as the third most corrupt force in the world by this site, and condemned by many other orgs:
https://www.wonderslist.com/10-most-corrupt-police-forces-in-the-world/https://www.ganintegrity.com/portal/country-profiles/kenya/https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41284-018-0149-yWake me up when he breaks 335. And for that to happen, he must be back on the sauce.
totorious wrote:
I'm completely on board with booing Kiprop but miss me with this supposed sob story about sleazy Sal being unfairly punished.
+1
Kiprop was banned, rightfully, for four years for intentional doping like Houlihan. Since Feb 3, 2018, so he isn't quite done yet.
(Manangoi's ban will expire sooner, in Dec 2021. )
Salazar was banned, rightfully, for four years for possession of testosterone (minimum: 4 years ban) + using a forbidden method (minimum: 4 years ban) + tampering (minimum: 4 years ban). He got lucky with a loophole in the Wada code that those transgressions were counted as just one in total because the tardy or incompetent or corrupt USADA failed to charge him separately and timely for every single one. Otherwise it would have been for 4 + 4 + 2 years, plus some extra for repeat offenders.
The lifetime was not for telling his "his athlete that they weren't at an optimum racing weight", but for egregious sexual misconduct + emotional misconduct.
casual obsever wrote:
Salazar was banned, rightfully, for four years for possession of testosterone (minimum: 4 years ban) + using a forbidden method (minimum: 4 years ban) + tampering (minimum: 4 years ban).
Typo with the tampering. Correct is:
Salazar was banned, rightfully, for four years for possession of testosterone (minimum: 4 years ban) + using a forbidden method (minimum: 4 years ban) + tampering (minimum: 2 years ban).
rojo wrote:
Oh Please wrote:
You are not thinking of this right. Kiprop was actually busted for doping, served 3 years. If he gets back to his previous level, it will be due to doping! He was never a natural 3:26 guy and probably not sub 3:29 either.
I am interested in seeing what he can do, but if he starts popping sub 3:30s again he will automatically be guilty.
How do you know that doing didn't just help him reach his potential while being lazy?
Like if he trained all out he'd be a 3:26 guy but that takes a lot of work and you might get hurt training that much. Instead, you run 80% of the mileage and dope and blow off the off seasons and are just as good.
To act like Kiprop isn't a supreme talent is absurd. He won world junior xc. Not many milers do that. Or do you think he was on drugs then as well?
Just because you get popped later in your career that doesn't mean you were always on drugs. Despite her doping suspension, for example, I dont' think Mary Slaney was on drugs at age 14.
And yes, in the past, I've said if you get popped for intentional doping you should be banned entirely and have all of your records stripped, but I'm pumped to see Kiprop come back. Call me a hypocrite. It makes one of the sports most interesting events even more interesting.
Jesus.
Kiprop won the world junior xc in 2007 at 18.
EPO was still being sold over the counter for peanuts in every Kenyan high street pharmacy and with zero testing in Kenya.
Not to mention his father was an international 1500m runner.
What makes you believe it is unlikely that he was already doping at 18?
He'd just emerged from the jungle with no sense of time?
He was running 3:35 with EPO, but he was clean running 3:26? He just happened to start doping and hence caught just when Athletics Kenya finally started seriously testing their top athletes and a slew of other top names got busted as well?
As a famous athlete once said....You don't peak twice. He will run some races but he will never be competitive at the world stage again.
I am very pessimistic when it comes to dopers claiming innocence but asbel always seemed like he was telling the truth. His whole story just didn't make sense about how he was tested. I would love to see him crush it again, and his doping case should be re evaluated and probably tossed.
Officialdb wrote:
I am very pessimistic when it comes to dopers claiming innocence but asbel always seemed like he was telling the truth. His whole story just didn't make sense about how he was tested. I would love to see him crush it again, and his doping case should be re evaluated and probably tossed.
Asbel Kiprop: Yes, but unlikely that he will crush it again. Too many years off, even though not that long, will make it difficult. When he was interviewed on Kenyan TV re the ban, a couple of years ago, he had the face of an innocent man, but of course that is a subjective opinion.
Asbel Kiprop, with that almost extra terrestrial body, all legs, and no weight in his upper body, was tailor made to run fast over 1500, doped or not. It’s a pity many people don’t acknowledge this. It would be like Lebron James facing an ordinary gym rat YMCA hoops player - no contest, different level.
Coach JS has no problem coaching convicted dopers.
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Jakob Ingebrigtsen has a 1989 Ferrari 348 GTB and he's just put in paperwork to upgrade it
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
