My ECON Teach says Service Economy will soon be extinct as Americans take Web Based Jobs

AI is one of those overrated technologies. Also improvements arent linear. Probably more like stairs and you cant predict the next step. Why would you trust an investor more than a teacher? The investor is even more biased

GE Econ Class wrote:

Low Wage jobs in the service economy will never be filled since Web/Internet Based jobs pay better than low wage. It's the end for low wage fast Food jobs, Big Box store jobs, Truck Driver jobs. The Supply Chain problems we have today will not be solved until Silicon Valley automation replaces human laborers at warehouses, factories, and retail stores. Automation is the only solution. Discuss

This theory is only possible when the US is no longer able to rob Peter to pay Pablo. But since Peter is not working, then so be it..pay Pablo.

Yes, the Internet will serve us hot samosas made by an Intel microprocessor.

"A product planned to be obsolete and multiple upgrades in a decade" ...Do you mean like the IPhone ? Seems to be numerous options with mobiles, but people keep buying the latest version of Apple!

Can hotel rooms be cleaned and beds changed by some automaton? I know Dominoes wants to deliver pizzas with drones but I doubt anything but a person can actually make a pizza. It's hard to imagine a drone or a robot taking your order in a restaurant then bringing it to you.

Do you know that classic phrase "if it were easy everyone would do it"? Just because a job pays more does not mean anyone can do it. Obviously that isn't true. I'd love to see someone who doesn't have any education in software to tell me why their stored procedure isn't getting them the right data or why their code won't compile. A lot of people just can't wrap their brains around it. I know some people who couldn't make it so they switched their degree to teaching. And I guess that's maybe the person who is saying that low wage service jobs will go away because you can make more money in something else. You can make a lot of money as a doctor, why isn't everyone a doctor?

But the problem that will happen is a smaller percentage of jobs will be 'mindless' jobs that don't require some sort of knowledge that anyone can learn in a week. So if the general population doesn't learn how to do something beyond what a teenager can do without any special learning, then you'll have a ton of people competing to get the few jobs available for that type of person. Those jobs will continue to pay not very much, because there are a ton of people capable of doing that job and there aren't very many of those jobs to go around. And then you'll have a bunch of people sitting around jobless causing crime and whatnot. Similar situation to the Roman Empire in the peak of their slave years, when they had a bunch of slaves doing all of the basic work, and most of the citizens didn't know how to do anything useful beyond the basic work the slaves were doing. As a result they just created a bunch of crime and the government had to start giving them free things like free grain and other things just so that they would stay in line, and give them big 'games' like gladiator battles to keep them entertained and not off stealing stuff or creating riots. This is not so different from what we're already starting to experience today. It's almost like we need to make dumb people stop reproducing, because their kids will also probably not learn any skilled jobs and will just be more people you have to deal with who can't do a skilled job and need handouts or else they'll start stealing. That got off track.

VS Naipaul wrote:

We can import low wage unskilled labor like they do in Singapore and Dubai. There will be a segregated society between those that work in service jobs and those employed work as "knowledge" workers. Of course, we already have this to some extent but it will be a long time before automation can replace jobs like child or senior care.

^This. There is no shortage of workers to do low wage jobs. There is just a shortage of American workers. This is not new. For the first 150 years or so of our existence we faced chronic labor shortages. That’s why we brought in slaves. Subsequently, we needed a lot of people to build out an entire continent as we expanded west. So we brought in Europeans – first from Northern Europe and then from Southern and Eastern Europe. We brought in Chinese laborers to build the railroads. And more recently, agriculture in the country would collapse without workers from Mexico and Central America.

The current shortages of low wage workers was compounded as many boomers retired en masse during the pandemic – never to return to the office again. This has repercussions throughout the workplace as mid-level office workers move up, thereby creating more entry-level opportunities for people that had been stuck in service jobs.

There are millions of people in countries right now that are more than willing to fill those service jobs. As our birth rate drops below replacement the only way for the American economy to keep growing is to fill in those labor shortages with imported workers.

If it were easy everyone would do it wrote:

Similar situation to the Roman Empire in the peak of their slave years, when they had a bunch of slaves doing all of the basic work, and most of the citizens didn't know how to do anything useful beyond the basic work the slaves were doing. As a result they just created a bunch of crime and the government had to start giving them free things like free grain and other things just so that they would stay in line, and give them big 'games' like gladiator battles to keep them entertained and not off stealing stuff or creating riots. This is not so different from what we're already starting to experience today.

Does sound eerily similar to our current time. It's almost as if big money sports (college and pro) are being used to keep the masses entertained, distracted, angry at, and in line.

The average truck driver salary in the US is about $70K. The fact that your teacher lumps them in with fast food workers makes me question anything your teacher would say.

It's immigrants to California who created the Internet back at UCLA in the 1960s and who are today quitting low wage jobs for internet, social media, and web jobs. If you let in more immigrants, they'll work at low wage jobs while learning new skills thee shift to tech careers. What's causing today's low wage labor shortage al LA/LB harbor is dock workers and truck drivers took tech classes and are now working at tech jobs. It's not a quirk. It's best for their families.

Bandit, The wrote:

The average truck driver salary in the US is about $70K. The fact that your teacher lumps them in with fast food workers makes me question anything your teacher would say.

$70k in L.A. means Nissin Top Ramen and Hormel Vienna Sausage for family Thanksgiving Din Din ;-)

smoldering legs wrote:

[quote]VS Naipaul wrote:

There are millions of people in countries right now that are more than willing to fill those service jobs. As our birth rate drops below replacement the only way for the American economy to keep growing is to fill in those labor shortages with imported workers.

Around here once immigrants arrive, they take low wage jobs, and enroll in tech classes at L.A. Harbor College, Compton College, Cerritos College, etc. The tech classes are packed. Once they have a few IT classes done, they get swept up online or at one of the massive technology development districts here in L.A. As a result the Fast Food joints have few workers. I tried eating at Subway the other day. The line was so long, I went to the AM/PM and bought a frozen burrito. That's how it is now all over California.

GE Econ Class wrote:

Low Wage jobs in the service economy will never be filled since Web/Internet Based jobs pay better than low wage. It's the end for low wage fast Food jobs, Big Box store jobs, Truck Driver jobs. The Supply Chain problems we have today will not be solved until Silicon Valley automation replaces human laborers at warehouses, factories, and retail stores. Automation is the only solution. Discuss

The biggest supply chain issue right now is not getting people to work and having a society that tries to consume far more than it produces.

Also that the ports are run by unions and government workers that makes them completely inefficient and ineffective. Lack of Automation is an issue but the fact that we have overpaid underperforming union workers making $150K a year driving forklifts at the port of LA is a bigger problem.

Yusef Scumm. wrote:

Tell your teacher that a remote teacher 15 states away could teach your class.

You know, sort of how it was done over the entire pandemic.

You know, sort of why everyone hated school during the entire pandemic.

sayyestonepotism wrote:

AI is one of those overrated technologies. Also improvements arent linear. Probably more like stairs and you cant predict the next step. Why would you trust an investor more than a teacher? The investor is even more biased

They both have biases. One just has a lot more knowledge about the topic.

It is not about trusting an investor over a teacher. In this case the investor is a computer scientist from Taiwan with a PhD from Carnegie Mellon who has worked at Apple, Microsoft and Google before becoming a very successful VC investor. He spends his days talking to leading professors, computer engineers and management from cutting edge tech companies. I don't know this particular high school econ teacher, but in all likelihood he or she never had a class in electrical engineering and is not even capable of carrying on a meaningful conversation about high tech concepts because he/she just doesn't have the background, experience or expertise.

But to be clear, I recommended that the OP get a variety of perspectives because no one knows what is going to happen, and all will have their own biases.

Finally, if the rest of the US has the attitude that you do about AI, China will be eating our lunch in 2041.

Realize there's 5 billion Silicon Valley smart phone and social media users on the planet Earth. Kids who eventually make it to the US whether documented or undocumented strive to join free open local Tik-Tok, Android, Iphone and Games hacker labs to earn cred and get a job with a Silicon Valley giant. Gone are they days when the first thing they think of doing is opening a convenience store, gas station, motel, lawn care service, or get a job bussing tables, flipping burgers, bending tacos, washing clothes, etc. Now do you understand?

HRE wrote:

Can hotel rooms be cleaned and beds changed by some automaton? I know Dominoes wants to deliver pizzas with drones but I doubt anything but a person can actually make a pizza. It's hard to imagine a drone or a robot taking your order in a restaurant then bringing it to you.

There are already self-ordering kiosk and auto-pay apps at restaurants.

And then, there are "robot hotels."

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