Thanks Flagpole.
I did 4 20s and a 22, with 14 at MP the last 2 at a faster pace. I appreciate your feedback!
Thanks Flagpole.
I did 4 20s and a 22, with 14 at MP the last 2 at a faster pace. I appreciate your feedback!
high school xc coach wrote:
congrats Jecht! room to improve. keep at it.
Thanks, I am hard on myself as any poster here.
I probably will drop to 5k to get faster.
Considering Indy if I have one more shot at it this year.
Would love to age into a BQ someday.
It was a PR but it felt like a Browns collapse like The Drive or The Fumble.
jecht wrote:
Thanks Flagpole.
I did 4 20s and a 22, with 14 at MP the last 2 at a faster pace. I appreciate your feedback!
Idk 4 different 20 milers and a 22 feels like pretty substantial. May just need to keep at it over a longer period of time.
Lotta fast runners cap their long runs at 20.
jecht wrote:
Would love to age into a BQ someday.
It was a PR but it felt like a Browns collapse like The Drive or The Fumble.
Congratulations on the PR! Even more so, congratulations on how incredibly well you've improved this year. It's phenomenal.
But you shouldn't need to "age into a BQ." You've seen enough posts in this thread about pacing. With proper pacing on a 3:15 A goal today, you would've run around 3:14. I have no doubt about that. You might've been in shape for a 3:12 (or even a little faster?), but if you didn't have workouts to clearly predict that and a plan to get to it, I can't say how much of a chance you would've had at it.
You've learned a lot and you seem eager to learn more. Today, you had one of the best lessons about pacing you could get (even more striking than in your last marathon, I'd guess), so you'll learn from that. And, given what I've seen, it looks like you'll keep plugging away, having fun, and improving.
Good luck, and thanks for the recap.
And did I mention pacing?
They didn't have pacers due to COVID but I'm not going to make it an excuse. That said, I would have run with the 3:15 pacer, and probably not gone crazy. Part of me knew it was risky and I shouldn't have done it.
Now, I want to sign up for Indy in November but will take it easy for a few days.
Thanks for the kind, non-judgy response. I'm hard on myself as it is. I looked at my Strava and I see exactly where I made the mistakes early on.
Had I come in at, say, 74, instead of 70-71 for the first 10, then 1:39 for the half (my old half PR), then 2:32 for the 20, I would have had enough left over to crank a 45-46 10k, instead of a 49:57. That would have at least put me 3:16-3:18 for sure.
Also, I had no issues with gels (6, 11, 16, 21), so that's a plus. The course had a hilly spot at 18 in Beekman and that's where it got rough a little bit before I went full Baker Mayfield and imploded at 20.
I should be happy--On 2/6 I ran 6 miles in 55:58 at a hard effort. LOL
The crazy thing is in the FIRST marathon, I ran smarter despite not having anywhere close to the mileage base I have today (800 miles in the training block vs. 1600).
Ran 1:40:45/1:44:39 (so a +3:54 gain on the back end). Was at 2:33:53 at 20.
jamb innn wrote:
jecht wrote:
Thanks Flagpole.
I did 4 20s and a 22, with 14 at MP the last 2 at a faster pace. I appreciate your feedback!
Idk 4 different 20 milers and a 22 feels like pretty substantial. May just need to keep at it over a longer period of time.
Lotta fast runners cap their long runs at 20.
This is only my second marathon, so you are probably right. One of my friends has run 15 marathons and she said that I need more data points, which makes sense.
Even if I get slower, I still love marathons and halfs.
https://www.sciotomiles.com/warmupcolumbusCharlesvdw wrote:
As a person who has run 3:13 in his last 4 marathons (2 in 2019 and 2 in 2021), I would advise you to stick with the 3:15 pacer. If there is one, of course.
Rooting for you, and a better run next time.
I found it!
26.2 mile course, 26.2 loops around a parking lot in Dublin. $70. February. Gives me time to recover, build base, get a few workouts in so I don't lose fitness, taper, and rock and roll for 2/6.
Charlesvdw wrote:
The first half was 3:07-3:08 pace. The marathon is a beast, and it bites you if you show no respect.
3:07 is only for the best of the Letsrun folks.
But if you keep you hard training up, I am sure you will get there.
Good job on your Marathon.
It 3:15 was your goal, why’d you go out in 1:33
Disko Eric wrote:
It 3:15 was your goal, why’d you go out in 1:33
Jecht was cruisin, saw him in the corral, then again around miles 4 or 5 in Bexley. He was haulin. I was carrying ~7:20ish pace and he moved past me over the course of a few miles.
Couldnt recall his goal time but almost wanted to tag along and see what we could do. I only ran the half.
Congrats on the PR and it's great that you've written it all up.
The consensus is pacing as the issue, and though we all "know" what we ought to do, it's nice to see a reminder about what happens when the pacing plan is not followed. Not nice for you, of course... but your report is a nice way of giving back to the community.
You got a PR, and seem to have the potential for 3:15... and marathon cycles are cumulative... the next time you ramp it up, you'll be starting closer to your goals!
jecht wrote:
... 1:39 for the half (my old half PR)
That's something to focus on! That's less "Browns collapse" than it is Jim Brown!
Yeah, dropping that split is part of the day's mistake, but it's still some fine running and a mark of great improvement (improve your half PR by 5-6, then keep running another 21k ? OK).
Remember: Top-notch coaches haven't solved every problem, but there's a lot of knowledge out there with proven ways to guide you. Learn, work, grow, have fun. It'll happen (and in the off-chance that it doesn't, as you know, you'll still be better off for the effort).
jecht wrote:
The crazy thing is in the FIRST marathon, I ran smarter despite not having anywhere close to the mileage base I have today (800 miles in the training block vs. 1600).
Ran 1:40:45/1:44:39 (so a +3:54 gain on the back end). Was at 2:33:53 at 20.
You did 1600 miles over what period of time?
Coach Jeff ROC wrote:
Congrats on the PR and it's great that you've written it all up.
The consensus is pacing as the issue, and though we all "know" what we ought to do, it's nice to see a reminder about what happens when the pacing plan is not followed. Not nice for you, of course... but your report is a nice way of giving back to the community.
You got a PR, and seem to have the potential for 3:15... and marathon cycles are cumulative... the next time you ramp it up, you'll be starting closer to your goals!
There is a 26.2-mile loop course (1-mile loops) in February I will sign up for. It's 5 minutes from my house, and flat. It's the Warm Up Columbus event.
Everything was lined up right...
Weather
Hydration
Taper
Gels (6,11,16,21 no issues)
Shoes
Smartwatch instead of pacers
And I went full 1986 Cleveland Browns on it :p
GettingFasterDude wrote:
jecht wrote:
The crazy thing is in the FIRST marathon, I ran smarter despite not having anywhere close to the mileage base I have today (800 miles in the training block vs. 1600).
Ran 1:40:45/1:44:39 (so a +3:54 gain on the back end). Was at 2:33:53 at 20.
You did 1600 miles over what period of time?
Since 2/6, although the first three week of February were in small amounts, but the main training block was from early March to 10/17.
Didn’t you say in another post you were going to take it slow for the first 20? Why’d you change up the gameplan?
You might benefit from some learning to race yourself with shorter races too. The marathon sucks for paying the price of bad pacing
On the plus side, at least you didn’t walk, in spite of cramping…that’s a tough thing to battle
brunojackson wrote:
Didn’t you say in another post you were going to take it slow for the first 20? Why’d you change up the gameplan?
You might benefit from some learning to race yourself with shorter races too. The marathon sucks for paying the price of bad pacing
I changed it up because I felt confident yesterday and received some good non-running news in my life on a personal level and I got too giddy. I should always listen to my initial instinct and go conservative. You are right, I had said that a few weeks ago.
It worked for the first 3:24 in 2019...ugh.
I'm gonna redeem myself on 2/6, I hope. Reading Pfitzinger's Advanced 2nd Edition right now to learn everything I can about the Thon, energy systems, pacing, nutrition (although I nailed that with Clif shots and Gu). I'm VERY grateful for that!
jecht wrote:
Thanks Flagpole.
I did 4 20s and a 22, with 14 at MP the last 2 at a faster pace. I appreciate your feedback!
Hmm...that should be enough, assuming your other runs during the week were substantial enough.
So, that leads me to these:
1) You DID go out in 1:33. That is a bit faster than your goal pace. I know it is tough to keep the excitement down when the gun goes off, you are trained and tapered and ready to go, but you may really need to do that for the next one. If you keep the same goal of 3:15, MAKE yourself go out in 1:37:30. Be diligent with each mile. I would make sure to be right on this pace all the way up to 20 miles, and then if you feel good, pick it up then. If you end up running 3:12, you can always adjust your goal for the one after that.
2) Was there a fueling issue? Do you have a plan for how and when to take in fuel? Do you train by doing this?
3) Columbus isn't the best marathon to race your best time. I would consider a trip to Sacramento, CA for the California International Marathon (CIM). Yes it is net downhill and a straight shot the whole way, but it's fair. I know some Columbus area guys who have gone to Chicago to run faster times too (though I have not run that one, so I can't give any advice about that course).
Good luck with future ones, and again, congrats on the PR!