Bad journalism or scary as hell: Article says Tommie Smith "fully expected" to be shot when he did his 1968 Olympic protest

rojo wrote:

I really think sloppy journalism is bad

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America's fury wrote:

dfljjkdlklkfidr wrote:.

In today's supposed 'woke' society you get the same blowback as Tommy did then.

Not even close.

Serious Q, you reckon Kaepernick could go anywhere he wanted in the South unaccompanied right now?

Not a chance.

I bet Tommy Smith could have. They didn't know his mug nationwide the way they know Kap.

dfljjkdlklkfidr wrote:

America's fury wrote:

Not even close.

Serious Q, you reckon Kaepernick could go anywhere he wanted in the South unaccompanied right now?

Not a chance.

I bet Tommy Smith could have. They didn't know his mug nationwide the way they know Kap.

Kaepernick staged that stunt "try-out" in the South.

Your question almost turns history on its head, just to prove an unsupported point - Tommie Smith was safer in 1968's South than Kaepernick is today.

But in any case, the technique you chose to use -- asking a premise-loaded question that requires huge speculation -- is interesting and effective. Even when the premise is weak, such questions are difficult to answer, because to respond fully, you have to go through the steps of breaking down the premise AND then engage in the same speculation as the poser of the question, without the advantage of posing the question first. Those factors combine to make nearly any answer seem defensive (which was the goal). I've seen both political "sides" use that technique a lot here. I think its bogus, but I admit that its effective.

There are five direct quotations in what you posted. It's an article, not a transcribed interview. There's nothing wrong with the journalism.

I went and watched Tommy speak at a local college. He spent some time as a migrant worker growing up. he said his sister was mean. and the reason he had to be fast was he had to be fast enough to outrun his sister. When he came back from the olympics he lost his job. his job before the olympics was washing cars for a car dealership. a team he had trained on was also disbanded due to political reactions following the olympics. around the time I saw him speak he was teaching a pe class at santa monica junior college. basically, it would have been possible to take his class for maybe $15 a quarter at the time. made me want to move to santa monica. that would have been a deal.

dfljjkdlklkfidr wrote:

America's fury wrote:

Not even close.

Serious Q, you reckon Kaepernick could go anywhere he wanted in the South unaccompanied right now?

Not a chance.

I bet Tommy Smith could have. They didn't know his mug nationwide the way they know Kap.

Who is "they"? Do you realize that the overwhelming majority of the murder in the country is carried out by people who like Kaepernick and not by rednecks in trailer parks?

Kap's Southern stunt involved cameras and loads of people in a staged environment. What I was referring to was walking down a street alone.

Anyway, you certainly gave an interesting response. I normally try to avoid any sort of fallacy or bias when arguing; perhaps I succumbed to it here (not entirely sure of this though).

My question remains, and it is interesting to ponder. Tommy Smith got a job washing cars and then became a university professor. What would happen to Kap if he took a job in ANY public-interfacing role in the US right now? It would be brutal. And the death threats... I bet he's taken far more abuse in this sense than Smith, but of course that's due to the easy access of social media. You used to have to spend your own hard-owned nickel to send hate mail. Now you can simply hop on your Obama phone and tell someone to kill themself.

more BS and self aggrandizement by this guy, trying desperately to be relevant

Liberals are morons wrote:

dfljjkdlklkfidr wrote:

Serious Q, you reckon Kaepernick could go anywhere he wanted in the South unaccompanied right now?

Not a chance.

I bet Tommy Smith could have. They didn't know his mug nationwide the way they know Kap.

Who is "they"? Do you realize that the overwhelming majority of the murder in the country is carried out by people who like Kaepernick and not by rednecks in trailer parks?

Don't try and change the subject with your tired whataboutisms.

Step your discourse game up son. ;)

Everyone in the 5 million strong Southern California TF/XC (the largest group of dedicated athletics participants on Earth) and Running community knows Tommie Smith.

Tommie taught at Santa Monica College for 27 years. He lived in Baldwin Hills adjacent to the former 1932 Los\ Angeles Summer Olympic Games Athlete Village.

L.A.P.D. has been summarily executing black males by shooting them in the back for over 150 years. L.A.P.D. and\ L.A.S.D. hasn't stopped murdering black people for fun and locker room bragging rights. The genocide of Black Los Angelenos by L.A.P.D. and L.A.S.D. continues unabated in 2021.

LR = tabloid wrote:

rojo wrote:

I really think sloppy journalism is bad

Please tell us more.

LOL. This is exactly right.

I don't think ROJO realizes how much he's telling on himself when he reads a story about Smith expecting to be shot for taking a stand for Black power, and his takeaway is "it can't have been that bad to be a Black activist; the journalist must be making this up." That mentality pervades every element of news that involves social change on this site.

umm, nope wrote:

LR = tabloid wrote:

Please tell us more.

LOL. This is exactly right.

I don't think ROJO realizes how much he's telling on himself when he reads a story about Smith expecting to be shot for taking a stand for Black power, and his takeaway is "it can't have been that bad to be a Black activist; the journalist must be making this up." That mentality pervades every element of news that involves social change on this site.

Bingo

rojo wrote:

I really think sloppy journalism is bad and am wondering if this is what's happening here.

You’re a journalist, allegedly.

You COULD reach out to the Guardian to see whether they were referring to a quote they were told or whether it was speculation the writers’ part. THAT would be good journalism.

Instead, what you did, you publicly accused someone of making up facts without any evidence to do so. THATS sloppy. YOU are the sloppy journalist

Emily Swatches wrote:

rojo wrote:

I really think sloppy journalism is bad and am wondering if this is what's happening here.

You’re a journalist, allegedly.

You COULD reach out to the Guardian to see whether they were referring to a quote they were told or whether it was speculation the writers’ part. THAT would be good journalism.

Instead, what you did, you publicly accused someone of making up facts without any evidence to do so. THATS sloppy. YOU are the sloppy journalist

This is essentially how they handled Houlihan.

'I don't want to acknowledge the truth, so therefore, I will rely on conjecture to validate my belief."

umm, nope wrote:

Emily Swatches wrote:

You’re a journalist, allegedly.

You COULD reach out to the Guardian to see whether they were referring to a quote they were told or whether it was speculation the writers’ part. THAT would be good journalism.

Instead, what you did, you publicly accused someone of making up facts without any evidence to do so. THATS sloppy. YOU are the sloppy journalist

This is essentially how they handled Houlihan.

'I don't want to acknowledge the truth, so therefore, I will rely on conjecture to validate my belief."

The fact that Rojo is unwilling or unable to understand this abojt himself is TRULY baffling

Has this allegation ever been made before - that Tommy Smith "fully expected" to hear a gunshot during his Olympic protest? I don't recall every reading this before and when I google Tommie Smith and gunshot, nothing pops up.

I really think sloppy journalism is bad and am wondering if this is what's happening here. Notice, the author doesn't quote Smith directly.

You might consider being more precise in your choice of words, as the statement of an individual's belief about a potential risk incurred by an act is not an allegation. Allegations are usually in reference to an activity (typically a crime) that has already been performed:

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=allegation&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

In other words, the Guardian journalist in question is relaying Mr Smith's fears.

You are questioning either the journalist's veracity or if Mr Smith's fear was unreasonable.

The message board is alleging that you suck as a journalist.

Your skills demonstrated suggest the message boards allegations are not without merit.

The commenters on this board also seem near unanimous that his fear was reasonable.

Any chance you can hire real journalists to help you not suck so much in the future?

Rojo sucks as a journalist

dfljjkdlklkfidr wrote:

Coevett wrote:

And Millennials think they are special and brave for 'taking the knee'.

They are, and they are. That's the whole point of this.

In today's supposed 'woke' society you get the same blowback as Tommy did then.

Look at the comments on any Kaepernick post today. People still want Kap's head for what he did. We're as nationalistic as ever.

Bullspit

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