Obesity is unhealthy, why is it being embraced?

FredFlintstone wrote:

I live in California and have Kaiser heath coverage. There are large numbers of employees there in scrubs and administrative garb that are fat. The doctors are not . Anyhow, if this is the situation in health facilities , how can we expect genuine public discourse on the issue of over fatness and obesity?

NPR is that worst, now saying people "have" obesity. This is nothing short or a social engineering campaign to indoctrinate on body norms, in service of what?

Maybe America has a lot of people that have a chubby fetish.

All this propaganda of fat acceptance is because the obese are too lazy and unwillingly to change anything about themselves. It is a byproduct of the #METOO movement. Why you are too full of it to take personal responsibility, blame others in submission.

NotPC wrote:

People are born different. Some are fat, some are skinny.

It's really nowhere near as simple as that. Obesity is an epedemic. It hasn't always been. Collectively our lifestyles continue to evolve towards the more sedentary as our diets continue to get worse.

Wow, and prickishness flows out.

No, I'm not anywhere near objectively "wrong." Tracking calories is clearly, objectively, NOT essential, since tons of people lose and keep off weight without doing it. There are scales and mirrors and clothing to show you the RESULTS (hint: that's the "where you are" part).

Also, learn to make less emotional and more reasoned arguments. My post clearly said that I wouldn't want to add to the nuisance of eating less (and/or exercising more) by ALSO having to maintain a lab notebook. The idea of being "offended" by anyone suggesting it was nowhere to be seen. And yet you imagined it.

You may need a sedative. But be careful about the dosage.

Who's funding the campaign to embrace it?

Jabba, Several things I would like to address and I am speaking directly to you. If you, Jabba, cannot maintain a healthy weight without tracking exactly what you put into your body, and NEED to writer down EVERYTHING you eat. It sounds as though you have some obsessive personality traits. Secondly, you come off as rude. I know that this is lets run and being anonymous allows a certain level of douchbaggery to exist here, but come on sir, or mama, or they. Are you just trying to be a troll by calling someone fat and mocking them by talking about a Boston Marathon Jacket, or are you that much of an angry little man that speaking, once again, anonymously toward a stranger on the internet, boost your ego that much. Either way you acting like a douch in this thread and come off as one as well. Instead of tracking the amount of calories you eat, maybe put in as much effort to be a better/ more kind person.

Dr Yuengling wrote:

appleapple wrote:

I don't think this is a very accurate understanding of the issue. There is a movement to embrace all body types because we know that no weight loss intervention (with the exception of bariatric surgery, which is a different can of worms) has proven successful in more than 5% of those who attempt it - no other medical intervention with those results would be celebrated or prescribed. The majority of people can't just "choose" to lose weight, and their attempts to loose weight perpetuate a cycle of weight gain. These people will have better health outcomes if they focus on the things they can control and accept the things they can't.

They dont need ‘medical intervention.’ Eat less/healthier, exercise more. Works for pretty much everyone.

Exactly. I quit eating animal products. Fried food. Refined sugar. And guess what?

People just have a total lack of self control and discipline.

dailydoubleFor600 wrote:

Dr Yuengling wrote:

They dont need ‘medical intervention.’ Eat less/healthier, exercise more. Works for pretty much everyone.

Exactly. I quit eating animal products. Fried food. Refined sugar. And guess what?

People just have a total lack of self control and discipline.

And there it is. Then they sue others instead of taking personal responsibility.

Big fat people always seem so happy to me. Like down syndrome sufferers.

You don't necessarily have to eat less calories or at least not substantialy less Many people just have to eat different calories.

If you replace 500 calories of processed sugar and carbohydrates with 500 calories of healthy fat you'll feel fuller longer you will start to lose weight.

I also fast, generally 14 to 18 hours most days, and if you are metabolically healthy and eat mostly protein and fat with natural carbs you just don't feel hungry. There have been days it gets to 5pm and I notice I haven't eaten yet.

I am not trying to lose weight, I feel like I'm at my ideal, but fasting is a great tool for fat loss and no, fasting is not Starving yourself.

Read Jason Fung's book.

hejus8whdidj wrote:

You don't necessarily have to eat less calories or at least not substantialy less Many people just have to eat different calories.

If you replace 500 calories of processed sugar and carbohydrates with 500 calories of healthy fat you'll feel fuller longer you will start to lose weight.

How are you suggesting that this happens?

If you mean that - people are fuller - > it affects what they eat after that then I can see what you're saying.

track chick wrote:

hejus8whdidj wrote:

You don't necessarily have to eat less calories or at least not substantialy less Many people just have to eat different calories.

If you replace 500 calories of processed sugar and carbohydrates with 500 calories of healthy fat you'll feel fuller longer you will start to lose weight.

How are you suggesting that this happens?

If you mean that - people are fuller - > it affects what they eat after that then I can see what you're saying.

Don't eat sugar. Don't eat carbohydrates. Eat protein and healthy fats. You'll be better off in a number of ways.

I'm sorry you can't handle the truth about weight management and that I didn't double sugar coat it like the donut in your mouth. You can go back to your endless fad diets now. Maybe your next diet will have you only eating animal intestines.

Weight management is a science, it doesn't care that you find tracking food intake to be offensive. Sheesh! Every runner these days has a GPS watch and Strava to track and share every step they take and somehow you find tracking how much you eat to be completely abhorrent. I completely understand what Salazar is feeling now.

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

track chick wrote:

How are you suggesting that this happens?

If you mean that - people are fuller - > it affects what they eat after that then I can see what you're saying.

Don't eat sugar. Don't eat carbohydrates. Eat protein and healthy fats. You'll be better off in a number of ways.

You are spreading misinformation. Sugars and carbohydrates form part of balanced nutrition. You are just spreading stupid fad diet misinformation.

Don't eat carbohydrates - that rules out an absolutely massive amount of foods and there's no way I'm following that or would even consider it. I actually think that's quite dangerous advice.

I can handle a lot of truths, I just haven't read any truths from you. You have stated that people need to track calories, I don't see how that is true as many people can and have lost weight without doing so. More importantly, I'm sorry that you cannot have a conversation without getting emotional and resorting too making fun of the people you are conversing with. it shows both immaturity and the limitations of your own intellect and that my friend is the truth.

Having said that, I do try to eat high protein/high fat and less on the side of carbohydrates, I just don't rule them out completely.

Again, do whatever you want, but do know that plenty of people do not have to track their intake to maintain a stable weight - I don't. I try not to weigh myself but it happens every now and again for doctors visits (and some studies I've participated in about distance runners' body composition) And I've actually lost a little weight over the past few years. I eat more dessert food than anyone I know. Everyone is different, tracking calories doesn't work for [I would assert] the majority of them.

track chick wrote:

Don't eat carbohydrates - that rules out an absolutely massive amount of foods and there's no way I'm following that or would even consider it. I actually think that's quite dangerous advice.

Don't eat PROCESSED carbohydrates. Eating no carbs at all is dangerous but no one needs bread, refined sugar, even rice. Vegetables contain carbs, est those

track chick wrote:

hejus8whdidj wrote:

You don't necessarily have to eat less calories or at least not substantialy less Many people just have to eat different calories.

If you replace 500 calories of processed sugar and carbohydrates with 500 calories of healthy fat you'll feel fuller longer you will start to lose weight.

How are you suggesting that this happens?

If you mean that - people are fuller - > it affects what they eat after that then I can see what you're saying.

That but all calories are not equal. Your body processes day differently than processed carbs. Insulting, blood glucose, signaling to store vs burn fat. When thinking about food calories it isn't just a flat measure if energy.

Look into the double/two/multiple container theory.