I just saw Mary Cain abuse Lawsuit on Los Angeles noon TV News

Eight-hundred metres, athletics. Strength to weight ratio is more important than a random weight number. See Ajee Wilson, 5'8" 135 lbs. See Raevyn Rogers, 5'9" 141 lbs. As long as percentage of body fat is in low range, weight is not the issue in 800m. Mary Cain should have been a weight lifting strong 5'7" (119 to 129) lbs. 800m runner.

True. Salazar was acting like she needed to be a 5k/10k runner at age 18.

look at Keely Hodgkinson, coached by Trevor Painter and Jenny Meadows (400/800m runner, world medalist). She ran 2.03 at 17yo (Mary ran 1.59 at that age) two years later she runs 1.55.8 (56.7 to 52.7 in the same time frame). Salazar just gave up on Mary trying to get faster, and figured (as a marathon guy himself) that going longer was more in her wheelhouse, when it was just his incompetence at knowing what to do for her. She wasn't Rupp or Farah or Hasay.

If GDS can run 1.58.7 for 800m then Mary could have run much better than 1.59, which ultimately would have helped her 1500m (should be 3.56 like GDS) - she just needed a coach who understood that.

She would have been better off going to Mark Rowland (OTC) instead.

so how has she done since she left Salazar? Much better I assume?

flyingfrog wrote:

so how has she done since she left Salazar? Much better I assume?

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This is a win no matter what happens.

If Nike wins then it’s a strike against toxic feminism. And win for sanity and individual responsibility / accountability.

If Mary wins then Nike has to eat their own woke bulls#it that they actively support.

Awesome.

Did you see Mary lately, I did this summer at some races, fat and out of shape. She should have waited to turn pro, went to a good college program. Mary and Kara perfect together. Those who can't do teach, those who can't run sue.

Her story made mainstream Australian news too. I hope she uses him for all her is worth. What a turd. Go Mary!

Who told her to control her weight before she turned pro?

You know, back when she was thin and successful.

Her parents? Her coach? Her teammates?

And why haven't those been sued too?

Maybe Nike should sue her, or those - for not sharing the words to her that worked then, were acceptable and lead to success.

Gwalkerruns wrote:

The real abuse is an athlete who collected hundreds of thousands and could not even keep her ideal weight to run. Then she leaves running but contacts Salazar to make a comeback. Then, goes on tv with abuse accusations. Time for Al Sal and Phil Knight to go on the offense and sue Cain. She is the one who is abusing.

+10000000

Couldnt agree more

An absolute disgrace what Mary is doing

flyingfrog wrote:

so how has she done since she left Salazar? Much better I assume?

Lol

You don't get it! Ajee Wilson and Mary Cain were teenagers at the same or similar years. Cain was only slightly slower than Wilson as a teenager, 800m. From Wilson's teenage years, Wilson has gained weight, muscle weight. Mary Cain never should have been training with near-starving 1500m to 5000m runners. Mary Cain should have been pumping iron, reducing body fat, plyometrics, sprint coordination drills, 50m sprints & 150m sprints, as a teenager improving her 200m, 400m & 800m performances as a strong roughly (120 to 125) pound 800m runner.

800m is a real T&F event wrote:

You don't get it! Ajee Wilson and Mary Cain were teenagers at the same or similar years. Cain was only slightly slower than Wilson as a teenager, 800m. From Wilson's teenage years, Wilson has gained weight, muscle weight. Mary Cain never should have been training with near-starving 1500m to 5000m runners. Mary Cain should have been pumping iron, reducing body fat, plyometrics, sprint coordination drills, 50m sprints & 150m sprints, as a teenager improving her 200m, 400m & 800m performances as a strong roughly (120 to 125) pound 800m runner.

That might or might not be true (I do think you have a interesting point) BUT Mary obviously wanted to be a 1500 meter runner herself, even made a WC final coming straight out of college.

Imagine the "abuse" if Nike had try to tell her then despite that she wasn't qualified to train with their 1500/5000 squad.

Teen prodigies sometimes win too much and/or too easy during childhood/highschool/college - not all of them benefit in the long run from that. Later when reach the level where victories don't come easy every other week they're not prepared to handle that, haven't devolved the necessary work ethic, can't be arsed to do the hard word and hours to take themselves permanently from prodigy to pro.