Mary Cain's complaint is online

What a total loser Cain is! Hope it gets thrown out. She needs to move on.

How many of you think that Nike will settle out of court, and why?

fat at 27 wrote:

I totally get where Mary is coming from. She probably feels like Alberto robbed her of her career, and frankly he may have. Maybe he can coach robot Rupp well, but sometimes being a coach involves a little more tact and many people agree he is truly an “anything to win” type of guy.

He didn't rob her of anything. He is a prick but if she actually had the talent to be a world class runner like she thinks she did she would become one now. He may have ruined a few years but she is young enough, and was a few years ago for sure, to brush off those few years and then recover.

Bottom line, Cain peaked too early and it was all down hill from there. The fact she didn't bounce back to become world class after leaving Alberto shows she just fizzled out and deserves nothing.

This is the way Mary Cain world ends

This is the way Mary Cain world ends

This is the way Mary Cain world ends

Not with a bang but a whimper.

I read it. Salazar and Nike are scum and I hope they get what's coming to them.

NAIA nobody wrote:

.... it seems to me that a key legal issue will be the terms of Cain's Nike contract and the amount of discretion it gave her on choosing, hiring and firing her coach. If the contract gave her complete power over choosing her coach, then her case will be extremely weak because she could have just changed coaches at any time without any loss of income to her.

This is the most important point that no one knows about....also, Nike and Salazar will ask if all this "abuse" can be claimed when she and her parents asked to join the club and Salazar in April of 2019 (just months before his banning). How does this square with years of abuse and a $20 million lawsuit?

gas station fro yo wrote:

I think what happened to her is terrible and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone, but I'm kind of perplexed by the timing and legal strategy here.

Can somebody post a quick summary of what she says happened to her? Because from what I've heard, it sounds like he was basically a jerk. So I'm wondering if anybody can sum up without me needing to read the entire complaint.

I'm also hoping maybe somebody with a legal background can clear up if what he did opens him to a civil suit like this, or if being a jerk is... I dunno the term, but not open to litigation?

Or could something in their contract make him liable? I assume if somebody is just a jerk constantly to their friend, their friend can just walk away from that relationship anytime, so it seems like they can't sue for that. But if they have a legal contract, maybe that makes it harder for her to walk away, so the abusive relationship becomes a potential liability for him? But I have no idea, looking for somebody with knowledge in the area to comment on it. Maybe the brojos can get an article written.

RunRagged wrote:

Huddling Molly wrote:

That is a very good point.

I am sure Nike lawyers will use that to their advantage.

The repeated use of the passive voice in the preceding paragraphs is meant to deflect attention away from the fact that it was Mary Cain's parents who placed her in this vulnerable position in the first place. However much NOP, Nike and Salazar might be at fault, Mary Cain's parents fundamentally failed in their "duty of care" to their teenage daughter. Seems to me she should be suing them too.

I think that will probably be next in the Mary Cain saga.

Prima Donna wrote:

Read through this complaint. Basically a he said/ she said that will be hard to prove without any witnesses. Also there is a one yr statute of limitations on “damages”. So all those running injuries she blames Al on will probably be tossed out. That leaves emotional distress which is hard to prove. That is definitely not worth near one million. She’s a sore loser looking for easy money and can’t take responsibility for her own failures. This complaint will ruin her already shoddy reputation

I have a gut feeling about this,and I have zero legal trainng or expertise.

I did read the op Ed by Mary Cain and was following her career

I have personally known successful coaches as Lydiard and my own high school coach, whose daughter is multiple Olympic medallist

In Biathlon.(Anne Briand, Oslo 1992)

Those were exception human beings capable of motivating anyone to the brink of their ability .

And they were Nice.

You don't have to be an as*s ho*le to succeed in sport or in life

But you can.

This I can prove and argue

The legal arguments is for lawyers and judges and jury

Many negative comments about Mary Cain are tainted with jealousy , misogyny or sheer adolescent lack of judgement.

And whete is your expertise come from ?

Lots of pages but nobody seems to have asked if Cain filed any complaints with Nike HR or at the minimum expressed concerns with anyone superior to Alberto during this alleged abuse. If she didn't raise any complaints while under his coaching, why not?

Also, can anyone name a 5'7 120+ pound female who is any good at distance running? I ran my best times at 5'7 108, and I'm a guy. My PRs were all faster than Mary's. It might be that I was underweight and would have performed better at 115 lbs, but I was never over 120 lbs, even before I began training. There's no way I could have been that heavy and been successful. I personally think the 114 lb weight goal that was set for Mary was reasonable.

Last thought, when is Mary going to sue letsrun? The Brothers Johnson have got to be shidding their pants right now. Mary has been thoroughly trashed on this site for almost a decade, far worse than anything Alberto did to her. Of course she won't be able to get $20M out of letsrun.

I'm pretty sure most of the reason they put so much trust in him is because he was also catholic. Mary comes from a devout catholic family and it tends to be an insular and patriarchal community.

hasjkdhjaskd wrote:

Last thought, when is Mary going to sue letsrun? The Brothers Johnson have got to be shidding their pants right now. Mary has been thoroughly trashed on this site for almost a decade, far worse than anything Alberto did to her. Of course she won't be able to get $20M out of letsrun.

Oh, come on. Why waste our time with such nonsense?

Cain's legal theory is not, as you suggest, that Salazar and Nike owe her the big $$$ because they are random bullies who were mean to her. Her theory is that, as her coach, Salazar had a legal duty to treat her better than he did, and as Salazar's employer, Nike had a legal duty to make sure he didn't act illegally.

Your first two points go to this argument by suggesting the facts might not support Cain's claims. I'm baffled as to how you follow those with a take that is so bad it's not even wrong.

running turtles wrote:

I'm pretty sure most of the reason they put so much trust in him is because he was also catholic. Mary comes from a devout catholic family and it tends to be an insular and patriarchal community.

Do you mean the Cain's were insular and patriarchal or you making a generalization about "devout catholic families"? I've been around lots of devout Catholic families and would describe very few of them as insular and patriarchal.

That Salazar was Catholic certainly may have been a factor for the Cain's. But the Cain's aren't unsophisticated country bumpkins. If the parents blindly trusted Salazar, then they certainly share culpability.

asdfghj1 wrote:

Do you mean the Cain's were insular and patriarchal or you making a generalization about "devout catholic families"? I've been around lots of devout Catholic families and would describe very few of them as insular and patriarchal.

That Salazar was Catholic certainly may have been a factor for the Cain's. But the Cain's aren't unsophisticated country bumpkins. If the parents blindly trusted Salazar, then they certainly share culpability.

The plural of "Cain" is simply "Cains." No need for an apostrophe.

Exactly. Thanks for remaining a voice of reason.

KudzuRunner wrote:

Tastes Like Chicken wrote:

Oh, come on. Why waste our time with such nonsense?

Cain's legal theory is not, as you suggest, that Salazar and Nike owe her the big $$$ because they are random bullies who were mean to her. Her theory is that, as her coach, Salazar had a legal duty to treat her better than he did, and as Salazar's employer, Nike had a legal duty to make sure he didn't act illegally.

Your first two points go to this argument by suggesting the facts might not support Cain's claims. I'm baffled as to how you follow those with a take that is so bad it's not even wrong.

Exactly. Thanks for remaining a voice of reason.

If you think my first two points have any merit, then surely you'd infer that I find Cain's claims frivolous. Since I find her claims frivolous, why wouldn't I suspect she was seeking someone else to sue? Individual posters on letsrun may be random bullies, but the site's owners allow the posts to go unchecked, damaging reputations and potentially market value of athletes.

hasjkdhjaskd wrote:

KudzuRunner wrote:

Exactly. Thanks for remaining a voice of reason.

If you think my first two points have any merit, then surely you'd infer that I find Cain's claims frivolous. Since I find her claims frivolous, why wouldn't I suspect she was seeking someone else to sue? Individual posters on letsrun may be random bullies, but the site's owners allow the posts to go unchecked, damaging reputations and potentially market value of athletes.

My god I hope this is a troll

hasjkdhjaskd wrote:

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Also, can anyone name a 5'7 120+ pound female who is any good at distance running? I ran my best times at 5'7 108, and I'm a guy. My PRs were all faster than Mary's. It might be that I was underweight and would have performed better at 115 lbs, but I was never over 120 lbs, even before I began training. There's no way I could have been that heavy and been successful. I personally think the 114 lb weight goal that was set for Mary was reasonable.

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Erin Donahue.