Yes or No: January 6th was an insurrection

comedyre1:3f wrote:

a very stable genius wrote:

So you are OK with me and a few hundred of my friends breaking into your house, knocking out your windows, dragging you down the stairs, stealing your computer, etc...

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/capitol-protesters-were-armed-with-variety-of-weapons/

ALBERTS, Christopher Michael Handgun

BALLARD, Thomas John. Police baton

BARNETT, Richard. Stun gun, metal rod

BARNHART, Logan James. Baton, flagpole

BLACK, Joshua Matthew. Knife

BLAIR, David Alan. Flagpole, knife

BROCKHOFF, Nicholas James. Metal cylinder

BYERLY, Alan William. Taser

CALDWELL, Daniel Ray. Pepper or mace spray

CAPUCCIO, Steven. Baton

CHRESTMAN, William. Ax handle

COFFMAN, Lonnie Leroy. Multiple firearms

COPELAND, Landon Kenneth. Metal fence pole

CUA, Bruno Joseph. Baton

DEMPSEY, David Nicholas. Metal pole, "pepper spray," and "club"

EISENHART, Lisa Marie. Taser

FAIRLAMB, Scott Kevin. Baton

FOY, Michael Joseph. Hockey stick

GIESWEIN, Robert. Baseball bat, "aerosol irritant spray"

GOSSJANKOWSKI, Vitali. Taser

HARKRIDER, Alex Kirk. Tomahawk axe

IBRAHIM, Mark Sami. Firearm

JACKSON, Emanuel. Metal baseball bat

JAMES, Aaron. Shield and sword

JENKINS, Shane Leedon. Tomahawk axe

JENSEN, Douglas Austin. Knife

JOHNSON, Paul Russell. Metal bar

JONES, Chad Barrett. Sword

JUDD, David Lee. Firearm

KHATER, Julian Elie. Chemical spray (Accused of attacking Officer Brian Sicknick)

KLEIN, Federico Guillermo. Sword

LANG, Edward Jacob. Bat, shield

LAZAR, Samuel. Chemical irritant

MCABEE, Ronald Colton. Baton, flagpole, brass knuckles

MCGREW, James Burton. Metal rod

MCHUGH, Sean Michael. Bear spray, "metal sign"

MEREDITH, Cleveland Grover Jr. 3 Firearms

MELLIS, Jonathan Gennaro. Stick

MILLER, Matthew Ryan. Fire extinguisher

MINK, Jorden Robert. Baseball bat

MUNCHEL, Eric. Taser

NEEFE, Marshall. Wooden club, "metal sign frame"

NICHOLS, Ryan Taylor. Crowbar, pepper spray

PALMER, Robert Scott. Fire extinguisher, "stick-like object"

QUAGLIN, Christopher Joseph. Shield, pepper spray

RANDOLPH, Stephen Chase. Metal crowbar

REFFITT, Guy Wesley. Handgun

RODRIGUEZ, Daniel. Flagpole, "electroshock weapon"

RODRIGUEZ, Edward Francisco. Chemical irritant

SABOL, Jeffrey. Baton, flagpole

SCHAFFER, Jon. Bear spray

SCHWARTZ, Peter J. Pepper spray

SILLS, Geoffrey William. Baton

SMITH, Charles Bradford. Knife

STAGER, Peter Francis. Baton

SULLIVAN, John Earle. Knife

TAAKE, Andrew Quentin. Pepper spray, metal whip

TANIOS, George Pierre. Chemical spray (Accused of attacking Officer Brian Sicknick)

TAYLOR, Russell. Knife

THOMPSON, Devlyn. Baton

WATSON, William. Pepper spray

WILSON, Duke Edward. Pipe

WORRELL, Christopher John. Pepper spray

Five suspects — Christopher Michael Alberts, Lonnie Leroy Coffman, Mark Sami Ibrahim, Cleveland Grover Meredith Jr., and Guy Wesley Reffitt — are charged with possessing firearms during the riot.

Officers found two handguns on Coffman's person and two more guns, along with possible bomb-making materials, in the truck.

Meredith - Officers found a handgun, a rifle, and hundreds of rounds of ammunition in his possession.

Do you know how stupid you sound? 5 whole guys with guns. That’s a real coup. If 5 guys with guns (only one of which is a long gun) are a threat to this nation, then we are in big trouble. Not to mention, those 5 guys will be going to federal prison for quite some time (fire arms charges in DC are no joke). The dems are acting like this was a military force trying to take over the nations capital. It was a bunch of morons, not some legitimate, well organized threat.

agip wrote:

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

No, this is ridiculous. The morons who stormed the capital were like a dog chasing a car. They would have no idea what to if they caught the car. People like you like to pretend our Republic was greatly threatened. What do you think was going to happen. The Pentagon was all of sudden going to say, "Well I know these are a bunch of Q'anon rubes, but they do have Pelosi's gavel, so I guess we better do what they say."

It was an act of stupidity and it could be argued that it was a terrorist attack. But there was no plan for an actual insurrection. Delaying the certification of the president in Congress, which has no impact on when Biden's term started, does not amount to an insurrection.

Just because the violence is on your side doesn't mean you should poo-poo it as a bunch of hapless yahoos.

Jan 6 was part of a widespread plot to overturn democracy. So yes, it was an insurrection, and seditious.

1. The outgoing president was calling the states, trying to get them to de-certify

2. The right wing think tanks had developed a point by point plan to get the election thrown out.

3. The outgoing president was pushing his employees at the department of justice to overturn the election

4. The outgoing president prganized a rally and his goons called for trial by combat.

5. The 'yahoos' showed up with guns, zip ties, a gallows, clubs, tactical gear, tear gas and other weapons precisely to do what trump asked: stop the count of electoral votes.

Lots of ultra-violence ensued. You've seen the videos of combat in and around the capitol building.

That is the very definition of insurrection. A planned attack on the normal functioning of government. The first non-peaceful transfer of power in US history.

The insurrectionists were troops sent by trump to overturn the government. Guilty as seditious insurrectionists.

I am a Trump guy wrote:

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

No, this is ridiculous. The morons who stormed the capital were like a dog chasing a car. They would have no idea what to if they caught the car. People like you like to pretend our Republic was greatly threatened. What do you think was going to happen. The Pentagon was all of sudden going to say, "Well I know these are a bunch of Q'anon rubes, but they do have Pelosi's gavel, so I guess we better do what they say."

It was an act of stupidity and it could be argued that it was a terrorist attack. But there was no plan for an actual insurrection. Delaying the certification of the president in Congress, which has no impact on when Biden's term started, does not amount to an insurrection.

Tell us you sat on the sidelines and done nothing to stop the steal without telling us you sat on the sidelines and done nothing to stop the steal.

Those men were patriots, you’re a surrender monkey.