Molly Huddle calls out misogyny on letsrun.

So, she should do things like this to help promote youth sports in Providence, or help revive a middle school program that had lost its funding?

https://www.womensrunning.com/events/road-races/october-races-charity/

https://www.providencejournal.com/article/20141222/SPORTS/312229972

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You really don’t understand the value of free expression, do you? The ACLU famously defended the right of Nazis to March in Skokie, IL because they understood that censorship protects the powerful and will inevitably be used to further marginalize the less powerful. How on Earth did the left forget this?

You say that ANY unfounded doping allegations should get the poster banned? That Letsrun ought to be “an intelligent running platform?” Who do you imagine will be appointed to this Ministry of Truth? How will this body of experts know which doping allegations are founded and which are not? How will they determine what talk is intelligent vs ignorant?

Authoritarianism is authoritarianism, whether you consider yourself a fascist or a progressive. And moral absolutism (how do you know who is a “bad person” with “bad ideas?”) is the enemy of critical thinking and a peaceful pluralistic society. Yes, some speech is hurtful, but speech hurts a lot less than unchecked power realized through mass censorship, material deprivation, and violence. It’s far better to lash out with words than with fists and weapons.

Is there misogyny on letsrun? Absolutely. Do women need a benevolent censor to protect them from the nasty ideas percolating through the brain of some anonymous bonehead? No, we do not. We are not infants. Many are too young and too ignorant about history to realize that women fought for the freedom to fully participate in society—freedom that was frequently denied on the grounds that the public world is just to dangerous for us.[/quote]

This should be pinned to the top of the board.

Also, having free speech allows the Nazis and other idiots to remain above-ground and prevent them from doing far worse. By forcing people like that underground it makes it a tougher situation to deal with.

Walk by them, ignore them, etc. They think they're important by shouting things--and it gives them a platform, but if they are truly powerless they just look like idiots.

chihuahua - wah. wrote:

The free speech argument doesn't work because some stuff is removed.

Did it occur to you that the free speech people don't support the removal of posts--or that if they support the removal of posts, they want to limit removal to a narrow set of circumstances? What the hate speech police don't seem to realize is that they're only comfortable with censorship because it has not yet prevented THEM from saying things that others find offensive. What if a fundamentailist religious group took over your workplace, neighborhood, or favorite forum, and told you that advocating for equality was a a form of violence against God and the natural order?

When you invest institutions with the power to shape society according to your own moral vision, you create the possibility that others with different values will use those same weapons against you. Coexistence in a diverse, free society requires that we tolerate viewpoints that we find offensive.

You don't get it. This is our elsewhere. Authoritative, anti-freedom sites like fb, ig, & twitter would not allow such free and open thought - and when they do, they straw man an argument, buttress it in well-worded counterarguments (say "the algorithms did it"), then invite the Molly Huddle-sycophants to shout-down the opinions that they deem "abusive".

And I'm not granting your premise of "freedom of abuse". Other possibilities include: "Freedom of critical thought and expression", "Decades of cumulative running knowledge and an impatience to dance around the facts of a matter", or "A desire to live in reality and not bend to the whim's of our group's weakest, most emotional members".

Again, the reality that you don't want to hear: Molly is at the end of her career and feels the need to kick up dust on her way out in an attempt to open up non-running related doors for when she does finally hang them up.

We've seen this a dozen times before: a successful female athlete more than happy to accept the applause of the so-called bigots and misogynists who butter their bread (and who are the true, in-depth fans), then, when they see the end of the tunnel, lash out against them.

Though the true fans of the sport remember these things - meanwhile Molly picks up more IG followers. BTW, I can't say I blame her - her decision/words might be her optimal path going forward though cowardly.

-Krispy

GTR wrote:

Kobbs Hessler wrote:

Why is she so obsessed and upset by comments made by random Internet trolls on an obscure running website?? Who cares. Stop reading LR and go somewhere else. Problem solved. People who lean right politically know that CNN and MSNBC are all lies all the time, yet they don't get all outraged and whiney. They just read/watch more accurate sources. Grow up. And Molly, by all means, don't prove the trolls right by acting like, well, nevermind. Congrats on the baby.

This is the most disingenuous take I have seen all day. Trump has spent years whining about the way the media covered him! Fox News makes its loving from whining and outrage.

Only years?

Ask yourself; why is Trump (btw, someone who's only been in the true-political light for only ~5 years), the first person that you can name who has been widely able to condemn the bias of CNN and MSNBC?

These channels have been spew left-wing bigotry for decades and only now, in the last 5 years, you're hearing it for the first time?? Why haven't you been exposed to previous criticism of left-wing media? (Just consider the labels used: CNN is called= mainstream, FOX is called= right-wing media).

The media has been calling Republicans "racist" since before I can remember. Reagan was called racist. H.W. Bush was called racist. W. Bush was called racist. Trump was called racist.

Trump was a celebrity and NYC socialite for decades and only when he runs for office as a Republican does CNN & MSNBC suddenly discover he's a "racist". Project much?

Please connect the dots in your own mind.

You left out the unhealthy fascination with pre-pubescent female runners.

You all are really creepy.

She is completely right.

Glenn Rupp wrote:

She is completely right.

Agreed

You people fail to realize that free speech stops at both "fighting words" where you can apply different constitutional tests as well as being a "nuisance".

This whole entire forum is a nuisance to people in and around the sport.

That's the bottom line.

So the consensus seems to be “yeah there might be misogyny on the boards, but so what that’s life”

Such a sad sentiment. Denigrating people is just what people do and we have to protect their rights to do it. Don’t worry about the people they are denigrating. They’re used to it and should just deal with it.

4mer D1 wrote:

You people fail to realize that free speech stops at both "fighting words" where you can apply different constitutional tests as well as being a "nuisance".

This whole entire forum is a nuisance to people in and around the sport.

That's the bottom line.

You epically fail to understand what a nuisance is. This place might be a nuisance for you if Rojo were reading posts aloud into your home and you could not conveniently avoid his voice. However you presumably are proactively visiting this site so there is no nuisance here at all.

C'mon Man..... wrote:

More manhating from Molly. She shared this on her Ig.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVDST-4lBEV/

more vague and boring commentary from people who love the role of victim.

Women with buns in the oven often make irrational statements due to wildly fluctuating hormonal changes and odd food cravings.

I wish this thread would just end.

jecht wrote:

GD wrote:

Very well written. I have asked the moderators to delete hateful and false comments that hijack threads that would otherwise be interesting conversation.

If someone doesn't realize how hurtful their comments can be then they are just plain cluelessly ignorant. If they don't care then they' just simply bad people.

I wish the moderators would moderate and make this an intelligent running platform.

And ANY unfounded drug accusations should get the poster banned.

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You really don’t understand the value of free expression, do you? The ACLU famously defended the right of Nazis to March in Skokie, IL because they understood that censorship protects the powerful and will inevitably be used to further marginalize the less powerful. How on Earth did the left forget this?

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The ACLU forgot this a long time ago. Their lawyers aren't walking into any Skokie courtroom today.