Wow. Every professional runner should sue their coach after a few running injuries because the injuries were caused from the coach making them run. No running, no running injuries. Your point is ridiculous.
Wow. Every professional runner should sue their coach after a few running injuries because the injuries were caused from the coach making them run. No running, no running injuries. Your point is ridiculous.
I wonder if he doped her,as well?its a fair bet everyone who trained under him was on EPO.
How is she able to file lawsuit now? I'm not from Oregon, but, where I am these sorts of actions would have a two year limitation period. All of these things happened a long time ago. I mean, her New York times article was two years ago.
Any lawyers from Oregon (or the US who can look a their statutes) know what the limitation period is there?
Also - if she was a minor when she first went to NOP, has she named her parents in the law suit?
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Cain's case is unique and posters claiming a win for her will open the door for other athletes because their feelings were hurt, is nonsense.
I don't know enough about the circumstances to opine. However, I do think a positive of this is particular situation is
that most coaches and programs, both professional and at the university level, now defer to registered dietitians to address the issues that are at the heart of this matter.
you had me at meat tornado wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Cain's case is unique and posters claiming a win for her will open the door for other athletes because their feelings were hurt, is nonsense.
I don't know enough about the circumstances to opine. However, I do think a positive of this is particular situation is
that most coaches and programs, both professional and at the university level, now defer to registered dietitians to address the issues that are at the heart of this matter.
What’s ‘at the heart of the matter’ is a matter of opinion. In Al’s opinion, getting results is it.
This is extremely frivolous. The problem with this type of lawsuit, alleging vague emotional abuse, is that it diminishes the experience of people who were actually abused. Terrible look for her.
Salazar ruined an elite 800m-1500m talent. Mary C's family should have done research on Salazar. Salazar had an ego. He believed he knew how to coach anyone, 800m to ultras. Salazar deep down in his bones knew he had no clue how to coach 800m athletes, gave up on developing Mary Cain's 800m talent, immediately trained Mary Cain to be a 1500m-5000m athlete. This site is mostly current or former hs JV XC runners and current or former D-3 JV XC runners. Most posters on this site enjoy or enjoyed XC training and you cannot understand why that was part of the entire process in ruining Mary Cain, a young 800m talent. A talent who should have been treated like a female Abdi Bile. Bile was an 800m athlete in his teens and early twenties who switched to 1500m in his mid-twenties. THAT is how Mary Cain's training and racing should have progressed. If Mary Cain had achieved at 1500m what Abdi Bile achieved, would Cain sue Salazar? We know the likely answer. Salazar ruined an elite teenage 800m athlete. There is a price to be paid for that. Too many of you are worrying about the smallest details. Salazar screwed up. Screwing up means one then pays a price.
footy wrote:
Wow. Every professional runner should sue their coach after a few running injuries because the injuries were caused from the coach making them run. No running, no running injuries. Your point is ridiculous.
You seem to be oblivious to the issue. Her injuries were not caused by Salazar making her run. If that was true, there would have been no lawsuit or even a story by Cain. Most runners don't suffer 5 stress fractures within a short period of time so maybe there's more to this than you think.
In the trial, there will be testimony and applicable documentation. Juries generally make the right decision and often reject lawsuits. Well see happens but just "She got injured because Al had her train" is not going to save the day.
^ This. Plus, the nothing-to-see-here crowd should remember that large parts of her 2019 claims were confirmed by several NOPers, and that SafeSports' lengthy investigation resulted in a lifetime ban for Salazar for sexual and emotional misconduct.
First of all do you have evidence that Salazaar put her on a 1500 calorie a day diet? If he did that is just flat out bad coaching and I don't know what all the nutritionists at Nike are doing because anyone who knows anything about running or nutrition 101 knows an 18 year old training at a pro level cannot live off that.
But as some of your assertions about it being warranted for her to sue because she had injuries related to the coaching and diet I do not agree. Get ready for pandora's box to be opened on the running world. Several girls had issues like this on my college team at various points. I'd say at least a third of the girls who took running seriously on my team went through some phase where everyone kind of grimaced and was like, "is she eating enough?" and I never saw or heard of anything my coaches did that I would classify as remotely inappropriate. Women's running is a messy sport on some levels because of the reality that you are dealing with young women who are under a lot of pressure related to athletics at the same time there is a lot of maturity and insecurity issues. Combine that with the fact that you do need to be in a certain body condition to perform. This bodyweight issue is not as black and white as a lot of people make it and if we start down this road honestly half the college coaches in the US could have lawsuits launched against them. If some of the allegations Cain launches are true, which I seriously question, I think it makes Salazaar a bad coach, and unfit to coach women, but a $20 million dollar lawsuit is extremely frivoulous.
While all of this is awful, doesn't meet the meet the legal standard.
An attempt to make this the basis of her case will result in a decision for the defendant(s).
This whole thread is absolutely disgusting. A bunch of loser men complaining because they thing emotional abuse is ok. Idiots talking about manchildren throwing trash cans, the militia and a woman daring to fight back against an abusive male.......... LOTS of abusers making excuses in here today. It is becoming more and more obvious just how disgusting and pathetic the f'ing losers are on this board. One troll even called fighting against abuse woke..... wtf
SDSU Aztec wrote:
footy wrote:
Wow. Every professional runner should sue their coach after a few running injuries because the injuries were caused from the coach making them run. No running, no running injuries. Your point is ridiculous.
You seem to be oblivious to the issue. Her injuries were not caused by Salazar making her run. If that was true, there would have been no lawsuit or even a story by Cain. Most runners don't suffer 5 stress fractures within a short period of time so maybe there's more to this than you think.
In the trial, there will be testimony and applicable documentation. Juries generally make the right decision and often reject lawsuits. Well see happens but just "She got injured because Al had her train" is not going to save the day.
Salazar can be a terrible coach and yet not liable in a lawsuit against him. Anyone can sue I guess but there will be a deep dive into what responsibility the plaintiff(s) had/have in the situation. It may be one that the plaintiff will not wish to explore particularly if she is emotionally fragile as it may appear to be.
jeff tallon wrote:
I wonder if he doped her,as well?its a fair bet everyone who trained under him was on EPO.
By everyone I assume you mean nobody?
mussibini wrote:
This whole thread is absolutely disgusting. A bunch of loser men complaining because they thing emotional abuse is ok. Idiots talking about manchildren throwing trash cans, the militia and a woman daring to fight back against an abusive male.......... LOTS of abusers making excuses in here today. It is becoming more and more obvious just how disgusting and pathetic the f'ing losers are on this board. One troll even called fighting against abuse woke..... wtf
Mary, enough with the name calling and abusive language.
No way! She would be squealing like a pig if she had any valid evidence of doping.
Of course what I stated has not and will not end up in court papers. The law is about minute details. I gave a 1000ft. view. A view most on this site and on this thread do not seem to comprehend.
bleu wrote:
No way! She would be squealing like a pig if she had any valid evidence of doping.
The problem with her squealing is that it would put her directly against anyone in that program who are/were her supposed supporters. So I'm not sure she would have. It's possible in a deposition that should could be asked that question (possibly by either side) and her answer would certainly be interesting.
Of course I don't know what Cain's diet was and I did use the word "if". Your examples are about women with eating disorders and not from a coach demanding that they lose weight. A coach has no control over the former and will not be successfuly sued but there could be liability for the latter.
Again, it's typical for a large claim of damages to be in a lawsuit and that in no way makes it frivolous.
Mary's claim is that Salazar set an arbitrary, unrealistic weight goal for her. In court, Salazar will need to prove her weight goal was reasonable and she was put on an adequate diet. He had no right to take an all, or nothing, approach with her career.