Is it time for Jordan Hasay to hang it up? Hasay 2:41:43, Flanagan 2:40:34.

You can just look at her and see that she is not healthy... and has not been for several years. Her nutrition is terrible and she not eating enough. She looks much older than she is and her skin shows a lack of nutrients.

Today's successful female runners do not look like they have been on Naked and Afraid for several months.

She needs to eat!

OBVIOULSY she is way to THIN from the recent photo I saw posted.. Her Ribs stuck out like she was barely eating..

Instagram is large amount of people with eating issues

well most of that is due to no sunscreen

one if by land wrote:

Who doesn't believe that Des was just showing up for appearance money?

good for Des

Could be that Jordan is struggling due to long covid? I don't know if she ever did have covid but maybe she did. and perhaps it is affecting her still today.

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Dr. Thao Huynh, a researcher at Montreal’s Research Institute of the McGill University Health Centre who is leading a study evaluating the long-term symptoms of 200 patients who had COVID-19, said the condition can be very debilitating. She said that between 15 to 20 per cent of the patients in her study have dysautonomia and that 60 per cent of those patients are unable to return to work because of their symptoms.

#PrayforJordan

almostsbs wrote:

You can just look at her and see that she is not healthy... and has not been for several years. Her nutrition is terrible and she not eating enough. She looks much older than she is and her skin shows a lack of nutrients.

Today's successful female runners do not look like they have been on Naked and Afraid for several months.

She needs to eat!

Seriously? Have you seen Sifan Hassan?

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

The only comparable example of a top US marathoner completely coming unglued like this is Ryan Hall. Maybe Hasay just went too hard at it and has been damaged beyond repair.

Umm...ever heard of Alberto Salazar?

Well done...

runnerdave wrote:

Ihatejoe wrote:

She seems like a nice person and probably misses her friend Alexi. I used to be fan but I believe she voted for Biden-Harris.

Thanks for clarifying who the nasty negative jerks are on this thread. I figured they were Trumpsters. Some people get their kicks out of being a**holes like their hero.

Nailed it....

Bitter losers. If they aren't talking trash about minorities, its women. The fact that she's a runner just makes it a tad relevant for this site.

not enough fat wrote:

hasayne one said this yet wrote:

I agree I believe she may be suffering from RED(S): relative energy deficiency syndrome. Low energy due to overtraining and a negative caloric balance.

What is always a footnote, or overlooked, in conversations about 'weight and running" is that you can have too little body fat. Yes. Fat. Everyone talks about weight and that fat is bad, but too little fat is also bad. Adipose tissue is an endocrine organ. A poorly understood endocrine organ who's cell's release a myriad of hormones, with new hormones being discovered all of the time (who here knows about Lipocalin - 5, for example). In any event, I agree with the above, and I think as part of trying to sort out what is wrong with her, she should consider putting on a little weight.

True facts

Covid was not around strugggles began... Hope she finds an answer

Something that might have been missed or discounted by a site that is clearly dominated by men (no shade, just facts):

Jordan clearly has a deep emotional connection to the sport. Evidenced not only by stories about her now- deceased mother's influence on her running, but also in the fact that she dressed in Lakers colors for the Trials (Kobe was a great influence on her) and she was wearing Boston blue and yellow on Monday. She has been trying (and I suppose recently failing to use these sort of connections to inspire her in races because she cares so deeply about her job. Seeing those things make me really respect her, but it is possible to actually care too much.

Now before y'all freak: I'm not saying that completely literally. I mean that, now the expectations are there because of what she achieved in the past. She is not racing carefree like she did early in her marathon career because now people expect her to achieve comparable results. If she is continuously beating herself mentally in races (which I have to believe is the case because someone who smashed it at Boston does not just then run a few minutes ahead of a positively-splitting, partially injured me) then dedicating and injecting each race with inspiration of the things that are most salient to you as a person can cause you to kind of over-instill the race itself with meaning. This is a problem when race after race starts to go south, the results begin to define you because you have imbued them with a purpose that defines you.

Of course I am NOT arguing that people shouldn't dedicate their runs to loved ones, to raise money for worthy causes, etc. I am only suggesting (not even totally convincing myself but still putting it out there for consideration) that Jordan has maybe gotten a little TOO deep inside of her head, the recent biggest days of professional career were too intertwined with the essence of who she is outside of running, and that I agree with others here (and obviously per Insta she does too) that a reset is needed. Then, she can find joy in racing again. Yes, running in that elite women's pack was difficult for everyone in it but it is bada$$ and cool but Jordan looked really miserable from the start (from what I could see on the early portion of the recorded broadcast, no idea about later because they never showed her after she lost contact with the group). Maybe, in time, if and when she makes a return to competitive running, she will find that she does not need to be as mentally reliant on her "why", the joy of racing will once again be enough.

How did Desi do? Should she hang it up?

not enough fat wrote:

hasayne one said this yet wrote:

I agree I believe she may be suffering from RED(S): relative energy deficiency syndrome. Low energy due to overtraining and a negative caloric balance.

What is always a footnote, or overlooked, in conversations about 'weight and running" is that you can have too little body fat. Yes. Fat. Everyone talks about weight and that fat is bad, but too little fat is also bad. Adipose tissue is an endocrine organ. A poorly understood endocrine organ who's cell's release a myriad of hormones, with new hormones being discovered all of the time (who here knows about Lipocalin - 5, for example). In any event, I agree with the above, and I think as part of trying to sort out what is wrong with her, she should consider putting on a little weight.

The other point is that Hasay has also been training hard at or near the top level for 16 + years. She was running against senior athletes at age 16. Although she is only 30, thats a lot of years of hard training to take a toll on her body.

It might be a better approach to focus less on the child prodigies/college athletes and on a more gentle progression from junior to senior ranks, with a gradual build up of intensity and focus.

Laura Muir and Jemma Reekie's coach often talks about this and Reekie talked about how she wasn't strong enough last year to do the same sessions as Muir and still wasn't this year.

She sounded like she didn't train very hard for Boston. How do pro runners get away with this.

I think she should take some time off. And by time off I mean proper time off - not taking time off from running but carrying on doing heavy weights, swimming workouts, flexibility, strength training, circuits and so on. I mean proper rest. Take some time off for her body to heal. A lot of people do this at the end of the season, it's not anything new. Maybe two weeks. And then start back up but with a different approach. Maybe she needs to cut back on weights. Maybe she needs to cut back on all of the supplementary training she's doing. Maybe she needs to somehow become more cold adjusted. Maybe she needs different nutrition. Something needs to be different. I have a feeling she doesn't rest enough. A lot of the Kenyans and Ethiopians sit around all day outside of their training sessions - they rest properly. She could try this. They often nap, play games, watch TV.

I feel like the following are likely to be true.

1) Salazar was a good coach to Hasay from a marathon perspective.

2) The extra salazar-sauce stuff (maybe thyroid meds, diuretics, whatever) pushed her the final 5% from a 2:25 ish runner to the 2:20.

3) 1 and 2 pushed her to the absolute limits of her body, putting her at risk of overtraining syndrome, RED-S, you name it.

4) In this vulnerable phase physically/mentally, she lost her coach and was left on her own with only her (clearly very strong) work ethic to guide her.

Her Facebook post says she is taking time off and will not be running in the foreseeable future.

Also say's she is looking forward to being a fan.

I hope the time off brings peace and happiness on or off the roads.