Juan Carlos de la Ossas progression

Exellent, do you have information on the training of their steeple runners?

where is the guy from??

Yeah some, but it takes flipping hours to translate each decent piece and then scribe it all out. Also on the steeplers I get sometimes a tad confused between which one is Elisio Martin and which one is Luis Miguel Martin.

Fabian Roncero is from Madrid city. Luis Miguel Martin Berlanas also is from Madrid, and Eliseo Martin is from Monzon (Aragon).

Could anyone tell me about the training of both the martine steeplers and Antonio Jiminez??? PLease!

thanks

I remember a while back the Spanish guy who won NCAA in the 5k and 10k.I heard he returned home and the Spainish federation told him that to run internationally he would have to start doping. Though this was back in the early 90's I still doubt the Spanish federation.

I don´t remember any Spaniard winning NCAA, please let me know the name. And also the story about the Spanish Federation. Hasta luego.

Wowow wrote:

I understand the point but it's not just de la Ossa its about 90% of the Spaniards, do all of them just 30miles of jogging per week till they are in their mid-twens?

Right, because 14:30 guys are essentially just joggers and high schoolers who can't break 15 should just give up.

Compared to 13:10, 14:30 is jogging.

You'd need some Spanish to do so, fair enough, but prob worth a bit of research on what RFEA do on the antidoping front, both policy and action, to inform the speculation a bit further. Any such doping as there may now be would seem to be v much on the run from the Fed'n rather than with it's collusion - indeed they catch and ban several of thier athletes in targeted out of comp tests. It proves nothing, but I've visited 3 of their High Perf Centres, as a not at all famous enduro runner/coach, and in Madrid, Sierra Nevada and Seville I was offered a tour of the sports medic facilities. Now I wouldn't necessarily know whether a syringe was full of EPO or grape juice, but it was a pretty open cooperative welcome I was offered.

davidch,

Thanks for your posts and for taking the trouble to translate the training of Roncero. This is the first I have seen in detail of the training of one of the top Spanis guys.

Wowow - you are coming across as a bit of an idiot - if 14-30 is "jogging" as you describe it then why does Haile have a problem running 15 mins 5k pace for a marathon. However you started this thread and it has lead to some very inoformative posts, so thank you for that.

davidch

Thanks for making teh effort and writing teh lengthy post. Trust me, its very much appreciated. These few-and-far-between intelligent, informative posts are the reason many people bothr to come to these boards at all. Its difficult to sift through the rubbish sometimes.

I'll certainly print it off and read it many times

Cause he's running out of glycogen after 35km at that pace but 5km at around 2-3.0mmol/l is everything else but stressfull.I just wanted to say that its a huge jump from 14:30 to 13:10.

"The marathoner has a double task, both to raise the AT to enable faster running while the oxygen use is in equilibrium, whilst also always trying to run the greater part of the race using glycogen rather than fatty acids."

Is that right? I thought it was the other way around. I thought that (for the marathon) you train to raise the running speed where you are still burning fatty acids. That way, you don't run out of glycogen in the race. Please enlighten me.

The exercise physiologists will hammer me if I get this wrong, but there's an interplay between the different energy sources in endurance races so I'm not sure if the glycogen is ever completely exhausted in a well prepared marathoner, more that the split between it and the fatty acids just swings markedly towards the latter in the later miles. IS that right? Also there's the 'lactate shuttle' element whereby, lactate being a better source of energy to maintain speed than fatty acids, a slight boost in blood lactate, by slightly increasing the pace around 30k, can defer the reliance on fatty acids. I got the latter interesting snippet from a recent UKA coaching course and think I've summarised it right. The subject of this thread plans Autumn 2006 Marathon debut so you can't say we're losing the plot on this.

Hi davidch

could u please drop me an email

run-on @ softhome.net

some progression all the same

did anyone go to the conference back in November in Spain? I was wondering if you could post information on Ramzi's training (and please no drug comments).

I've read some stuff on marius bakken's website but would like some more detailed information

Some run yesterday by this guy. He must have went from 40th up to 20th through the race.