BREAKING: Americans are paying the most for gas in 7 years

Spain does not produce any oil or natural gas. They buy their oil and natural gas from places like Mexico, Iraq, Russia and Nigeria (all of whom treat their citizens and the environment with the utmost respect), so Spain should be left out of the conversation as they export the pollution to countries with loose regulations and horrible human rights records when they buy their fossil fuels. When oil prices are high, it increases the reliance on lower yield reserves (so the Catalonian Soup man rejoicing in high oil prices that actually encourage extraction of reserves with a greater carbon footprint is ironic). Not to mention that public transport makes far more sense when you are a densely packed population than it does when you are spread out and have a productive economy. The Spanish economy is a mess with 15% unemployment and 37% of those between the ages of 15-24 out of work). Many Spanish youths look for employment abroad. Their green economy hasn't done much to produce jobs.

As Precious Roy observed, prices are rising because US production dropped early in Coronavirus and has been slow in boosting production. A big reason for this is Biden and the left have made it more difficult to produce oil domestically (federal leasing moratorium, enacting anti-fracking legislation on the state level that increase the distance new drilling sites have to be from residences, etc.). Combined with the cancellation of Keystone XL due to their opposition to tar sand oil, it is a perfectly orchestrated plan to increase gas prices and artificially create inflation on everything from gas to food to clothing.

Jogger262 wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Even in West Virginia, which gets virtually all electricity from coal, you have far lower emissions with an EV than with a gas car.

Are you counting the mining and transport of the Lithium to produce all of those batteries in your EV? May not be quite as environmentally sound as you think.

Yes, I'm counting everything. There have been several studies that look at the environmental impact from manufacture of the vehicle to when the vehicle is scrapped. And the conclusion is always the same. Even if you charge an EV from coal-generated electricity it is far better than a gas powered car.

Internal combustion engines are extremely inefficient. It is is much better for emissions to generate the power with a large plant than to do it with millions of little engines.

And the best part is that as our grid gets greener, so does the EV. But after more than a century of development, internal combustion engines are about as efficient as they will ever get.

I'm sure your Kona is very nice. But trust me, once you start driving your smooth, quiet EV, you will think that your old cars were clunky and you will never want to go back.

Flagpole wrote:

Jogger262 wrote:

Are you counting the mining and transport of the Lithium to produce all of those batteries in your EV? May not be quite as environmentally sound as you think.

Gas prices have a long way to go before it becomes a real issue in the US. I love my in-line 6 cylinder turbo with 444HP and a manual transmission. These 600+ HP EVs are pointless in the real world (as far as driving pleasure goes). 0 - jail in 4 seconds.

The lithium is an issue. NO solution is without some big hurdles.

Correct. We need more R&D into battery production. Lithium is extremely abundant and there are some very clean and promising techniques to extract it. But those techniques need development. Frankly, I'd rather see us ditch the EV incentives and add that money to the battery R&D budget.

It's 100% Joe Biden's fault.

Thanks joe, next stop out of control inflation

GM should have never killed the EV1

You underestimate how important it is to these dinguses' egos to drive a gigantic vehicle. They think they're sticking it to the libs but we all know it's just compensation.

Where are you, roughly? Are you driving in Europe? Are you driving in eastern North Carolina? I ask because if a U.S. citizen lives in the mountains &/or somewhere with much snow, a powerful vehicle is necessary. Eastern north carolina is flat. There are contractors, salespersons and sales managers who need to drive much. It would be nice if there were high speed hydrail, get some vehicles off the roads. With high speed hydrail, Minneapolis to Chicago would be less than 4 hours. Not as many would drive the seven hours if high speed hydrail. Some posters on this thread talk merits of EV. EV should be called lithium travel. Lithium is more rare than oil. Wide spread lithium use will mean oil wars will be replaced by lithium wars. Hydrail is the solution.

Fat hurts wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Fat Hurts,

I'm on board with eventually everyone going to electric vehicles, and of course that will ultimately happen, but calling gas-powered cars "clunky" is a bit much. As I mentioned to you in another thread, I recently bought a 2022 Hyundai Kona AWD (gas powered), and that thing is anything but clunky (yes, I realize any electric car will beat it off the line, but I couldn't care less about that). I DO think that's the last gas-powered car I will ever buy.

I'm sure your Kona is very nice. But trust me, once you start driving your smooth, quiet EV, you will think that your old cars were clunky and you will never want to go back.

I get what you're saying. EVs are better in just about every way from gas-powered cars, and I look forward to the day when it is feasible for me to get one...just not there yet with range/battery charging time. In the meantime, I will enjoy the car I'm driving, and it is wholly awesome and just not clunky at all.

This has to be one of the stupidest Post of all time. Everything in our society has gone up from food to Lumber 2 transportation. Some people are making the same wages they did before and after administration's. This again, is the stupidest Post ever.

Californation wrote:

GM should have never killed the EV1

Indeed. Worst mistake GM ever made.