The NAIA also does a marathon championship. Lots of great runners have come from that
The NAIA also does a marathon championship. Lots of great runners have come from that
Rick Sanchez wrote:
The NAIA also does a marathon championship. Lots of great runners have come from that
The 2021 Men's marathon was won in a time of 3:38 and the women's was won with a time of 3:05
SDSU Aztec wrote:
So why isn't Centro out racing on the roads? He is living quite well having Nike as a sponsor and Houlihan was also making more money than any female marathoners.
If what you say is true, than everyone would be running marathons. How much is the not in the top 2-3 marathoner earning? Doesn't Jarad Ward partially support himself by being a teacher?
Because he can't run a 205 marathon. I am sure the top 10 in the world do fine in most events. It's is the drop off to the aslo rans. How much is a 339 guy versus a 212 guy?
Just move cross country season to the winter simultaneous with indoor..... Like the international calendar.
Problem solved.
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Just move cross country season to the winter simultaneous with indoor..... Like the international calendar.
Problem solved.
So they play water polo in the Fall?
Rick Sanchez wrote:
Rick Sanchez wrote:
The NAIA also does a marathon championship. Lots of great runners have come from that
The 2021 Men's marathon was won in a time of 3:38 and the women's was won with a time of 3:05
I don’t think your proving your point with this info.
The best talent is in division 1 and 2. Thats who need doing marathon training. Also I don’t like the idea of a full Marathon along with doing it in the doing for the aforementioned reasons.
“Doing it the SPRING”
Get Metric wrote:
Rick Sanchez wrote:
The 2021 Men's marathon was won in a time of 3:38 and the women's was won with a time of 3:05
I don’t think your proving your point with this info.
The best talent is in division 1 and 2. Thats who need doing marathon training. Also I don’t like the idea of a full Marathon along with doing it in the doing for the aforementioned reasons.
So if you were Mike Smith you would have Nico Young run an 30K road race? I would consider it an injury risk and as aspiring world class 5/10K guy, Nico would laugh at the idea. It wold be a race for walk-ons..
I hate to break it to you but Nico won’t be a world class 5k/10k guy. He doesn’t have the wheels for that level. The longer the better for that guy. At NAU they already do marathon type training in XC. Long tempos, two long runs a week, and large volume. Again great East Africans and Japs race these long distances at young ages. It works for them. We need to try something similar or continue to stink.
Get Metric wrote:
I hate to break it to you but Nico won’t be a world class 5k/10k guy. He doesn’t have the wheels for that level. The longer the better for that guy. At NAU they already do marathon type training in XC. Long tempos, two long runs a week, and large volume. Again great East Africans and Japs race these long distances at young ages. It works for them. We need to try something similar or continue to stink.
Sure, but the decision to move up to the marathon won't be until a few years after college and in the meantime, there is no way in H that's he's going to run in some ludicrous NCAA 30K.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Get Metric wrote:
I hate to break it to you but Nico won’t be a world class 5k/10k guy. He doesn’t have the wheels for that level. The longer the better for that guy. At NAU they already do marathon type training in XC. Long tempos, two long runs a week, and large volume. Again great East Africans and Japs race these long distances at young ages. It works for them. We need to try something similar or continue to stink.
Sure, but the decision to move up to the marathon won't be until a few years after college and in the meantime, there is no way in H that's he's going to run in some ludicrous NCAA 30K.
Ok well will continue to act like 2:09 is amazing while the elites laugh at us.
I haven’t heard anyone comment on what I think would be one the key results of something like this. I prefer the half marathon idea, and if you have an NCAA half marathon team event, you will have schools specialize in this. Just like some schools somewhat let track suffer so they can focus on XC and get more hardware that way, some schools would scholarship talented guys who are gifted at running even longer distances.
At some schools, you wouldn’t have the XC guys doing some half marathons, you’d half half marathon guys doing a little XC.
Get Metric wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Sure, but the decision to move up to the marathon won't be until a few years after college and in the meantime, there is no way in H that's he's going to run in some ludicrous NCAA 30K.
Ok well will continue to act like 2:09 is amazing while the elites laugh at us.
Regardless of what some Bekele fan boys might believe, Kipchoge is, and always will be, the marathon GOAT. His first marathon was at age 29 and some LR morons think he was more like 35. Nico can wait until 22-25 to tackle the marathon if he wants to and Kipchoge wasn't racing no stinkin' 30Ks when he was 20.
fkkfkfkfkf wrote:
Care to name our best male marathoners in the last 20 years who weren't dominate at the shorter distances? Other than Brian Sell I can't think of one. Rupp, Riley, abdi, meb, hall, Ritz, ward, culpepper, Browne, DeHaven, coogan we're all solid NCAA track guys.
Exactly. Survivorship bias means that dominant runners at shorter distances are the people getting a chance to train for the marathon distance. Because the demands of the marathon are substantially different from shorter events, we don't know if we're losing out on a lot of talent. A lot of "solid NCAA track guys" don't even get a pro contract or a chance to keep training. Since the otherwise excellent U.S. talent identification system seems to be failing at the marathon distance, maybe there's a problem with the system itself.
If US companies were willing to spend a lot of money sponsoring the 29-30min 10k guys we too could have a lot of sort of fast marathoners (210-215 guys). But it isn't going to up our 208 count a lot or get us completive down at 206. Getting all our 2720-2750 10k off the track where they are not completive and running marathons in their prime might.
I think getting our 2:08 count up a lot is the only way to get competitive at 2:06 and faster. Just like we don't know if a HS star is going to take to college training and competition and might end up as a star, or as just another college athlete, we don't know in advance if a college star will take to pro training and international competition. Plus we don't know in advance which solid 10K runners have peaked in their best event, and which ones would do better at a longer distance. That's a lot that's impossible to know without giving more runners a chance to keep training to find out which is the case. Otherwise we're just guessing who's going to be fast at the marathon distance, and we can see how that's working out. It's a numbers game: to identify a 2;06 talent, you'll have to sift through a lot of 2:08s; to identify the 2:10s, you'll have to look at a lot of 2:10s; and so on.
There is plenty of time to run marathons after college, which ends at 22 for most, 25ish for mormons, and 26ish to 27ish for international graduate students. A runner who is set on being a marathoner can run CIM or Philly after xc and still be ready for outdoor track.