asdfghj wrote:
Pete Gandhi wrote:
If I'm in a hospital, the last thing that I want is an unvaccinated nurse, doctor or tech getting near me.
As for me, I'm vaccinated. I don't care whether people near me are vaccinated or not.
I am not vaxxed and am not worried about the vax status of people near me.
I am a bit more cautious in that I will avoid anyone sneezing and coughing.
The Unkle wrote:
How do you explain the discrepancy between 3 times and 29 times?
3 times is infections/cases, while 29 times is hospitalizations... not hard.
The data is pretty clear. Delta is more transmissible, so vaccine protection from getting COVID entirely might be more like 65-85% depending on the timing of your 2nd shot. But for a severe case the number is more like 90-95%+, and since studies have shown your viral load goes down more rapidly, the vaccine is also of benefit to reduce the spread even for those who get COVID.
For those reasons, it is reckless and irresponsible to be a caretaker for old folks with comorbidities and not get vaccinated. A vaccine will help them, but it is not a cure.
asdfghj wrote:
Pete Gandhi wrote:
If I'm in a hospital, the last thing that I want is an unvaccinated nurse, doctor or tech getting near me.
As for me, I'm vaccinated. I don't care whether people near me are vaccinated or not.
In many situations, I would agree with you. But not in a hospital.
The Unkle wrote:
Well..... wrote:
Dumb post. No one said a vaccinated person can't spread the virus, that would be dumb as well.
Zero evidence ? What about
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/227713/coronavirus-infections-three-times-lower-double/Will 3 times less likely to test positive do ? (I assume you do grasp, if you are less likely to catch it, you can't pass it on).
How about
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-study-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-29-times-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.htmlwhich says unvaccinated 5 times more likely to be infected (and 29x more likely to be hospitalised)
Or
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2779853I could go on. Get a grip.
How do you explain the discrepancy between 3 times and 29 times?
Can't work out if serious.
The Unkle wrote:
Birkoboy wrote:
You wish. It's great to see you whine on here every single day.
Another handle hey Unkle.
Wrong again.
Do you never tire of it?
You're known to post under many different handles to make your stupid opinions seem popular,you can tell 439 is you by the writing style,same as you could tell Gina was you,get a life basement boy.
Former Never Trumper wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
People who are anti-mask/anti-vax are full of it when they talk about "freedoms". They know that they have no freedom. They have no choice but to go to work every day and be part of an economic system that showers with embarrassing riches a small percentage of the population who have the meritocracy pedigrees of top university degrees and big law, finance, corporate jobs. They can work a million hours a week and will still struggle to pay their bills. Their small business will always get crushed by whatever venture capital backed competitor that comes along. Their kids are buried in college debt and are working as a driver for door dash while doing shifts at a coffee house. They are totally powerless against an economic system that should have rewarded them generously but has instead made their lives miserable.
So, instead of actually organizing to fight against the big monied interests that actually cause them harm, they fight against public health measures because that is the one thing they can fight against. No one can make them wear a mask or get the vax, while they are powerless to fight against the forces in society that actually harm them. That is their "freedom".
What an absolutely absurd post. America was the first country in the history of the world to completely reject any kind of class system or a ruling class system. It is literally written into the constitution that no one can have a royal title. There is no country in the world where it is easier to get into the middle class. Literally, all you have to do is graduate high school, get a job, and don't have a kid until you are married and you are pretty much guaranteed to make it to the middle class in America, which will be a far better living condition than 90% or more of the world.
It's ridiculous that someone like you regularly calls for the systems that have made the system unfair then rail against the system. The absurd cost of college and massive student loans that are now a crisis, 100% a creation of the Democrats. Medical costs that have gone through the roof, 100% creation of the Democrats. The massive wage and wealth gap increase, both parties share responsibility but the ball really got rolling under Clinton/Greenspan on this when they started doing things like repealing Glass/Segal. The Democrats have had plenty of opportunities to tax hedge funds more, but if you notice in their tax proposal the loophole so their pals who provide nothing to society are still in place, while corporations that provide real goods and services will pay a higher rate. The great thing about being a progressive is you get to put in place a stupid policy that screws up the system, then your base is too stupid to realize that you screwed up the system, so you can promise if they just give you more power you know how to fix it. It's a perpetual motion machine to make society less and less fair, requiring bigger and bigger government.
Haha, LOL, Americans are so naive… interesting how many right-wingers on here just quote Tucker Carlson chapter and verse - every day more and more imprisoned by paranoia about someone taking their freedom. They don’t even see the paradox they’re living!! You can’t take a knee in America during the national anthem without being screamed at to leave the country. At the same time you can’t support the police without being called a racist and cancelled. And almost half the country voted for the former president who literally railed daily to try to silence large portions of the media that ever said anything negative about him. And to be fair, the left media was colluding against him… but isn’t that just them exercising their ‘freedom’ of speech? Most right-wing Americans have no idea what freedom is.
I don't care about everyone's opinions on the vaccine. I'm curious for an update on what happened? It doesn't seem very smart to have untrained and/or inexperienced people providing medical care. Plus, who would volunteer to go work in that environment? Only the bottom of the barrel medical workers will come in. Ya know, the kinds that can't even do an IV or draw blood without poking a million holes in your body.
bip bop pop wrote:
I think it’s dumb not to get the vaccine.
But this is about freedom and who gets to make that decision, which is 100x more important than the vaccine.
This.
I'm as pro-vax as any lefty out there, even moreso (but I'm not going to be mean to people about it on the street and risk dying over it). But this is a freedom issue now.
I hope Ohio doesn't get to this point. NY is a different beast though.
Precious Roy wrote:
People who are anti-mask/anti-vax are full of it when they talk about "freedoms". They know that they have no freedom. They have no choice but to go to work every day and be part of an economic system that showers with embarrassing riches a small percentage of the population who have the meritocracy pedigrees of top university degrees and big law, finance, corporate jobs. They can work a million hours a week and will still struggle to pay their bills. Their small business will always get crushed by whatever venture capital backed competitor that comes along. Their kids are buried in college debt and are working as a driver for door dash while doing shifts at a coffee house. They are totally powerless against an economic system that should have rewarded them generously but has instead made their lives miserable.
So, instead of actually organizing to fight against the big monied interests that actually cause them harm, they fight against public health measures because that is the one thing they can fight against. No one can make them wear a mask or get the vax, while they are powerless to fight against the forces in society that actually harm them. That is their "freedom".
Very interesting post about the haves and have-nots.
Lesson: Be born into a rich family with connections, don't screw up and you'll have a good job and success forever.
Seriously, what has "our country always been"? We barely have a history compared to the rest of the world. Some old white men wrote up a Constitution and apparently no one can go against its because its like Gods word. We have always been a mishmash of people from everywhere. For the most part the mishmash works, in the last several years its slowly unraveling. Our enemies push that and many of us are too dumb to understand the damage. When health care workers wont take a vaxx in the middle of a pandemic, they deserve to be fired. What message does that send people on the fence? Ive never seen such open stupidity on display in my life as I see with the anti mask/anti vaxx crowd. And then they go off and die in droves.
You got that wrong. Right wingers are fighting to keep the historic freedoms upon which the country was founded. If you don’t like that type of system go somewhere else. Don’t change what our country has always been. They hate freedom in North Korea. Move there if that’s what you like.
Tommy2Nuttz wrote:
Seriously, what has "our country always been"? We barely have a history compared to the rest of the world. Some old white men wrote up a Constitution and apparently no one can go against its because its like Gods word.
We have always been a mishmash of people from everywhere. For the most part the mishmash works, in the last several years its slowly unraveling. Our enemies push that and many of us are too dumb to understand the damage.
When health care workers wont take a vaxx in the middle of a pandemic, they deserve to be fired. What message does that send people on the fence?
Ive never seen such open stupidity on display in my life as I see with the anti mask/anti vaxx crowd. And then they go off and die in droves.
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The only stupidity is the covid pandemic mandates and American value, freedom of speech, & human rights violations stupidity. Just plain stupid. And dangerous. Unbelievable there are people out there cheering and backing the petty tyrants with their painfully obvious lies and destruction of fundamental freedoms. Sick. Sick in the head. When there is no pandemic and the population is subjected to this type of violation, the leadership should immediately be arrested and hanged for treason. Followers should be punished for life. These followers continue to die and suffer by the tens of thousands yet they continue to follow and worship.. Madness.
jecht wrote:
bip bop pop wrote:
I think it’s dumb not to get the vaccine.
But this is about freedom and who gets to make that decision, which is 100x more important than the vaccine.
This.
I'm as pro-vax as any lefty out there, even moreso (but I'm not going to be mean to people about it on the street and risk dying over it). But this is a freedom issue now.
I hope Ohio doesn't get to this point. NY is a different beast though.
Ohio is solid red. DeWine wont do sh!t
This nonsense really has to stop. Government & corporate criminals need to be rounded up and dealt with. Truth & logic have to win.
packy 2 wrote:
This nonsense really has to stop. Government & corporate criminals need to be rounded up and dealt with. Truth & logic have to win.
https://amgreatness.com/2021/09/24/over-3000-doctors-and-scientists-sign-declaration-accusing-covid-policy-makers-of-crimes-against-humanity/
God forbid they have an opinion different than yours.
Where is your Ph. D. from?
I bet many of the vaxxtards who love their needle also voted for Biden lol
jamb innn wrote:
packy 2 wrote:
This nonsense really has to stop. Government & corporate criminals need to be rounded up and dealt with. Truth & logic have to win.
https://amgreatness.com/2021/09/24/over-3000-doctors-and-scientists-sign-declaration-accusing-covid-policy-makers-of-crimes-against-humanity/God forbid they have an opinion different than yours.
Where is your Ph. D. from?
Not sure what you're getting at. I linked that declaration as an example of truth & logic having to win.
bye bye middle class wrote:
This is much more upsetting than the virus itself
Agree. That people are so stupid and down right selfish enough not to get a freaking shot. Christ people acting like babies scared of needles. Stay home then, lose your job, ruin your life, if not getting a shot means that’s much to you lol.
jamb innn wrote:
jecht wrote:
This.
I'm as pro-vax as any lefty out there, even moreso (but I'm not going to be mean to people about it on the street and risk dying over it). But this is a freedom issue now.
I hope Ohio doesn't get to this point. NY is a different beast though.
Ohio is solid red. DeWine wont do sh!t
I thought he was on the right track at one point but then his legislature overrode him with SB 22. However, local ordinances in Columbus were passed mandating masks in public spaces, which will calm everyone down.
The idiots in the statehouse who passed SB 22 didn't realize that home rule ordinances could go into effect and give enforcement power to local officials.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
People realize that some of the biggest causes of COVID carnage in nursing homes was the workers coming in and spreading to all their patients. Would you really want unvaxxed workers willfully putting your elderly family member at 10x the risk. Nope.
Do you practice being an a$$hole?