NY declares state of emergency over vaccine mandate...

nebraska2020 wrote:

how anyone can still be using the argument that the unvaccinated spread covid when CDC research, the case studies of countries with very high vaccination rates and statements of their professionals all demonstrate that the vaccinated spread covid just as much as the unvaccinated. There is no difference. If you would not want an unvaccinated person treating you in hospital, you should be equally concerned about a vaccinated person treating you who is not wearing a mask..

Incorrect. The research you cite says that while vaccinated/unvaccinated people might get up to similar viral loads, vaccinated people's viral load drops faster than unvaxxed. So, actually you're wrong.

Statistically, an unvaccinated person is also way more likely to have COVID. Because it is more likely the unvaxxed person both has a) COVID b) has higher viral load for longer, it's pretty obvious you'd want health professionals who are vaccinated.

nebraska2020 wrote:

I cannot understand - other than willful attempts to steer threads - how anyone can still be using the argument that the unvaccinated spread covid when CDC research, the case studies of countries with very high vaccination rates and statements of their professionals all demonstrate that the vaccinated spread covid just as much as the unvaccinated. There is no difference. If you would not want an unvaccinated person treating you in hospital, you should be equally concerned about a vaccinated person treating you who is not wearing a mask.

People losing their jobs is persecution in an attempt to coerce people into taking the 'vaccine', where there exists many reasons why someone would choose not to do so.

You are incorrect, the evidence suggests that vaccinated people are less likely to spread covid than unvaccinated. I don't really know how you can still think this, but it is what it is. People can only disagree, and you will continue with your incorrect belief.

(Actually, to give you credit for sneakiness, I misread slightly your post. It's quite misleading, what matters is the probability of an invididual who is vaccinated vs unvaccinated, not overall volume. not sure if that was intentional or just bad phrasing)

No need to worry over it,all the anti-mask/vaxxers will be sat in their basements crying to their pretend friends on the Internet how hard their lives are now.Losers

I wonder what Kyrie Irving is thinking about his favorite liberal politicians right now?

Birkoboy wrote:

No need to worry over it,all the anti-mask/vaxxers will be sat in their basements crying to their pretend friends on the Internet how hard their lives are now.Losers

You wish. It's great to see you whine on here every single day.

439 wrote:

Birkoboy wrote:

No need to worry over it,all the anti-mask/vaxxers will be sat in their basements crying to their pretend friends on the Internet how hard their lives are now.Losers

You wish. It's great to see you whine on here every single day.

Another handle hey Unkle.

I'm not whining,I'm happy to go out and do what I want following a couple of simple rules,enjoy your basement dwelling.

nebraska2020 wrote:

I cannot understand - other than willful attempts to steer threads - how anyone can still be using the argument that the unvaccinated spread covid when CDC research, the case studies of countries with very high vaccination rates and statements of their professionals all demonstrate that the vaccinated spread covid just as much as the unvaccinated. There is no difference. If you would not want an unvaccinated person treating you in hospital, you should be equally concerned about a vaccinated person treating you who is not wearing a mask.

People losing their jobs is persecution in an attempt to coerce people into taking the 'vaccine', where there exists many reasons why someone would choose not to do so.

Depends what you mean. There will be more vaccinated people spreading covid, because of the difference in numbers of people vaccinated.

You want to look at what the probability of a single vaccinated vs unvaccinated person (of the same demographic) has of spreading covid and that's been shown to be reduced when vaccinated, so a bit surprised how you can't understand that. It reduces not only the severity of the individual if they get it (and the chance they end up in hospital which is very important on several levels), but also reduces the chance that they get it, and the chance they pass it on.

nebraska2020 wrote:

I cannot understand - other than willful attempts to steer threads - how anyone can still be using the argument that the unvaccinated spread covid when CDC research, the case studies of countries with very high vaccination rates and statements of their professionals all demonstrate that the vaccinated spread covid just as much as the unvaccinated. There is no difference. If you would not want an unvaccinated person treating you in hospital, you should be equally concerned about a vaccinated person treating you who is not wearing a mask.

People losing their jobs is persecution in an attempt to coerce people into taking the 'vaccine', where there exists many reasons why someone would choose not to do so.

Do you watch Tucker Carlson? If so, maybe you should stop.

“The vaccine is simultaneously like a great seat belt and a choice to drive sober,” they added. “The seat belt reduces your chance of severe injury in an accident. Driving sober reduces the risk of the accident in the first place. The vaccine does both, but it still matters if you’re surrounded by reckless drivers. No vaccine is 100 percent effective, and the more virus is around us — in this case, carried by the unvaccinated, who are five times more likely to be infected and thus to spread coronavirus — the more likely the vaccinated are to become infected.”

"So let me make one thing clear: Vaccinated people are not as likely to spread the coronavirus as the unvaccinated. Even in the United States, where more than half of the population is fully vaccinated, the unvaccinated are responsible for the overwhelming majority of transmission."

You really believe a vaccinated person doesn’t spread the virus? A friend of mine, fully vaccinated caught and gave COVID to her entire family, one of them was hospitalized. It’s a lie that vaccinated are not spreading the virus. And those who say the vaccinated are less likely to spread it have no idea what they’re talking about. There’s is ZERO evidence to back any of it up.

Pete Gandhi wrote:

Caleb's Hat wrote:

Congrats, now you won't have any nurse, doctor, or tech because they'll be understaffed.

You're probably too young to remember the air traffic controller's strike. The staffing problem will be quickly resolved.

I'm not sure. They are paying nearly 20 an hour to work mcdonalds and tim hortons now. these people have options. Especially those below RN level who don't make a great deal of money.

What an absolutely absurd post. America was the first country in the history of the world to completely reject any kind of class system or a ruling class system. It is literally written into the constitution that no one can have a royal title. There is no country in the world where it is easier to get into the middle class. Literally, all you have to do is graduate high school, get a job, and don't have a kid until you are married and you are pretty much guaranteed to make it to the middle class in America, which will be a far better living condition than 90% or more of the world.

It's ridiculous that someone like you regularly calls for the systems that have made the system unfair then rail against the system. The absurd cost of college and massive student loans that are now a crisis, 100% a creation of the Democrats. Medical costs that have gone through the roof, 100% creation of the Democrats. The massive wage and wealth gap increase, both parties share responsibility but the ball really got rolling under Clinton/Greenspan on this when they started doing things like repealing Glass/Segal. The Democrats have had plenty of opportunities to tax hedge funds more, but if you notice in their tax proposal the loophole so their pals who provide nothing to society are still in place, while corporations that provide real goods and services will pay a higher rate. The great thing about being a progressive is you get to put in place a stupid policy that screws up the system, then your base is too stupid to realize that you screwed up the system, so you can promise if they just give you more power you know how to fix it. It's a perpetual motion machine to make society less and less fair, requiring bigger and bigger government.

Jenannlee wrote:

You really believe a vaccinated person doesn’t spread the virus? A friend of mine, fully vaccinated caught and gave COVID to her entire family, one of them was hospitalized. It’s a lie that vaccinated are not spreading the virus. And those who say the vaccinated are less likely to spread it have no idea what they’re talking about. There’s is ZERO evidence to back any of it up.

This is wrong.

There is plenty of evidence that vaccinated people both get infected less and clear infections faster.

Of course, if you are infected, you can still spread, but the vaccinated have less and shorter infections = less transmission.

Jenannlee wrote:

You really believe a vaccinated person doesn’t spread the virus? A friend of mine, fully vaccinated caught and gave COVID to her entire family, one of them was hospitalized. It’s a lie that vaccinated are not spreading the virus. And those who say the vaccinated are less likely to spread it have no idea what they’re talking about. There’s is ZERO evidence to back any of it up.

Dumb post. No one said a vaccinated person can't spread the virus, that would be dumb as well.

Zero evidence ? What about

Will 3 times less likely to test positive do ? (I assume you do grasp, if you are less likely to catch it, you can't pass it on).

How about

which says unvaccinated 5 times more likely to be infected (and 29x more likely to be hospitalised)

Or

I could go on. Get a grip.

Birkoboy wrote:

439 wrote:

[quote]Birkoboy wrote:

No need to worry over it,all the anti-mask/vaxxers will be sat in their basements crying to their pretend friends on the Internet how hard their lives are now.Losers

You wish. It's great to see you whine on here every single day.

Another handle hey Unkle.

Wrong again.

Do you never tire of it?

How do you explain the discrepancy between 3 times and 29 times?

Birkoboy wrote:

439 wrote:

You wish. It's great to see you whine on here every single day.

Another handle hey Unkle.

I'm not whining,I'm happy to go out and do what I want following a couple of simple rules,enjoy your basement dwelling.

I am happy to go out and do what I want too. Why that fascination with basements? Projecting much?

Pete Gandhi wrote:

If I'm in a hospital, the last thing that I want is an unvaccinated nurse, doctor or tech getting near me.

As for me, I'm vaccinated. I don't care whether people near me are vaccinated or not.