DMSO is for horses, I've been using it for years with great success!

cramister wrote:

Cor wrote:

Why do you say this?

I ask because I know one of his college teammates who said he went through so much DMSO it was laughable. He even used it on a toothache according to my source.

I saw it mentioned on here he did a sports illustrated article with it

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3979358

I just wondered considering Salazar's reputation with DMSO per a teammate.

I had an severe insertion hamstring issue in which I could not run at all. I used DMSO for the first time and ran almost pain free that day. I knew guys who successfully used it to carry aspirin and other things deep into the tissue but I never went that route.

llort_vbo wrote:

I specialize in dumb comments. wrote:

Isn't it some kind of solvent? What's it supposed to do for sore muscles?

Back in the day, I saw people use it to transport analgesics directly to an injury and the DMSO would act as a vehicle

Will transport lots of banned drugs without anyone knowing they have been transferred.

faltitty wrote:

Will transport lots of banned drugs without anyone knowing they have been transferred.

DMSO just solubilizes the drug - it doesn't mask it. You'll still have drug metabolite (and DMSO metabolite) in your system.

vaIjean wrote:

faltitty wrote:

Will transport lots of banned drugs without anyone knowing they have been transferred.

DMSO just solubilizes the drug - it doesn't mask it. You'll still have drug metabolite (and DMSO metabolite) in your system.

Correct, although some people absorb test through the scrotal skin to have the local 5alpha reductase convert some of it to DHT and hence bypass the T/epiT ratio.

dumbassMF wrote:

Correct, although some people absorb test through the scrotal skin to have the local 5alpha reductase convert some of it to DHT and hence bypass the T/epiT ratio.

Interesting. What's the conversion rate like? Does the additional competition for 5a reductase binding sites have any negative side effects?

vaIjean wrote:

faltitty wrote:

Will transport lots of banned drugs without anyone knowing they have been transferred.

DMSO just solubilizes the drug - it doesn't mask it. You'll still have drug metabolite (and DMSO metabolite) in your system.

I think the point is that it’s one mode of transdermal doping where the subject would be unaware that it occurred.

Supposedly it helps draw water out of inflamed tissue - but I agree that the mechanisms provided are sketchy. The lone pair on the oxygen will strongly interact with the protons in water so there would be a type of hydrogen bond. Fick’s law presumably factors in to take care of the rest?

vaIjean wrote:

dumbassMF wrote:

Correct, although some people absorb test through the scrotal skin to have the local 5alpha reductase convert some of it to DHT and hence bypass the T/epiT ratio.

Interesting. What's the conversion rate like? Does the additional competition for 5a reductase binding sites have any negative side effects?

It's only used for about 7-10 days preceding a scheduled competition/test as part of phasing off T. I don't think the conversion rate is known precisely, but it's assumed to be substantial.

faltitty wrote:

Will transport lots of banned drugs without anyone knowing they have been transferred.

Mafia hitman Richard Kuklinski (The Iceman) bragged about killing over 100 people. He said he experimented with many lethal methods including DMSO laced with cyanide. He mixed them in a spray bottle, walked by someone, sprayed it in their face, kept walking, and listened for them to drop. He claimed he used such small quantities that they were not detectable via autopsy. The deaths were typically ruled a heart attack according to Kuklinski and due to his victims being poor & many times homeless the coroner didn't look very hard.

If there is any truth in Kuklinski's words, this example shows just how deep and fast DMSO penetrates into the body.

vaIjean wrote:

faltitty wrote:

Will transport lots of banned drugs without anyone knowing they have been transferred.

DMSO just solubilizes the drug - it doesn't mask it. You'll still have drug metabolite (and DMSO metabolite) in your system.

Never mentioned masking.

faltitty wrote:

Never mentioned masking.

I misunderstood your point. You were implying that drugs could be administered to athletes by team docs without the athletes knowing, which is certainly a possibility.

vaIjean wrote:

faltitty wrote:

Never mentioned masking.

I misunderstood your point. You were implying that drugs could be administered to athletes by team docs without the athletes knowing, which is certainly a possibility.

Good points guys, in this day and age where athletes can leave your group and blow the whistle if they are disgruntled, it's perhaps better they don't know. On the other hand a significant part of the drugs' effects is placebo...

First used in 1980, use now every few years when I recall, and have an injury I've seen it address before. Had known about it from a Runners World story about that time, and saw on a sign outside a Florida Keys store. Ran in, bought it, and was off to the races.

In recent years I get it at farm supply places when I grab a Carhartt hat or whatever.

I went by Tractor Supply today to buy some pet supplies and saw DMSO in a jar, bottle, and a roll-on applicator. I have used it for years, but I know the caveats. It can be dangerous. I would recommend that runners read up on it before trying it.

Used it for a couple years when I was running. Knee tendonitis--maybe saw mild improvement? Once had a hand injury--palm portion--first applied dexamethasone then DMSO. A significant improvement.

Saw a well-known sports injury physician in Eugene once. I asked him about it. His response: "I grew up on a farm in Oregon. My parents were putting that stuff on me when I was 12 years old. There's no harm in trying it. Just make sure your skin is very clean before applying DMSO, because it will carry anything (e.g. germs) on the skin into your bloodstream. Oh, and don't rub it in.

stan the corgi wrote:

I've heard DMSO gives one severe halitosis.

Not long term but while in use it gives a garlic smell. It leaves the body through your mouth. I could dab a cotton ball full of DMSO on my knee and taste it as though I was putting it in my mouth.

nopushback wrote:

DMSO is old school, been around a long time . Helps with sore muscles, recovery, and injuries!

Yep first read about it in the early 1980's when I started running. Saw it once but never used it. Strange things that athletes will use to help recovery from injuries. Now who remembers Ma Huang...chinese stimulant from early 90's.

I pulled an adductor muscle at the District Senior Games this morning. Nothing serious, I think, but enough to stop me from running any more events. My go-to treatment is Thermaflex, a horse liniment, but an application a few hours ago had no effect.

Tonight, I remembered this thread and applied DMSO using the roll-on applicator. I was able to taste garlic a couple of minutes after application, which is normal. I'm curious to see how it feels tomorrow.

I’d get a blood test and check liver enzymes a few days later. You have to be crazy to use this stuff