I’m only in my mid-30s, and to me it feels like all sanity and rationality and belief in objective truth have gone out the window in the last few years. Is this true, or has the world always been a senseless clustermuck?
From people believing vaccines are full of microchips to believing in “men” giving birth…it’s all insane nonsense.
Satan has infected the minds of those that are in control of the institutions that once had people who were raised with values instilled by a Judeo-Christian worldview. Now the marxist godless communists are in control.
Maybe it was always this crazy and more and more people are sharing their real thoughts on social media which can reach far more people than people’s views in the past.
Then you take the fact that people are reading more if this and that helps spread the crazy.
^^^ like he said.
Loss of community, lack of shame, erosion of standards of behavior, belief in impossible things. It has happened before, and society rebalances to a more conservative norm when the excesses are rung out in hard times.
Whenever people think, "Wow the world has never been so divisive or crazy", I remind myself, "Have people forgotten about the 1960s? People were being assasinated left and right - the Kennedy borthers, MLK, Malcolm X, etc. "
We think it's bad now but no prominent people are being executed.
I've asked my parents about this several times and never gotten a good answer.
Is it just human nature to think whatever time you are living in is the craziest. This seems tame compared to the 60s. Can you imagine if Biden was executed during the last election?
LRC note. We changed the word executed to assassinate.
Read the Fourth Turning which predicted this downward slide we've entered into. We're in a decadence phase hence why society is so topsy turvy right now.
nothing makes sense wrote:
I’m only in my mid-30s, and to me it feels like all sanity and rationality and belief in objective truth have gone out the window in the last few years. Is this true, or has the world always been a senseless clustermuck?
From people believing vaccines are full of microchips to believing in “men” giving birth…it’s all insane nonsense.
Used to be a flustercuck back then but now it’s more clustermuck.
Where I live in Canada , a new condo development has 430 sq ft studio condos starting at $449,000 , plus $34,000 to buy your under ground parking spot ,if you want one.
TMADDDHASFNE wrote:
Satan has infected the minds of those that are in control of the institutions that once had people who were raised with values instilled by a Judeo-Christian worldview. Now the marxist godless communists are in control.
No. The truth is what this person has written. The problem is not new.
The answer is the internet makes it seem crazier because now you’re crazy thoughts in your head make it online. “Tin foil hat” wearers have been around forever. Look up tin foil hat wearers if you don’t know. They are basically the old days version of what QAnon is today. They believed all kinds of crazy stuff and if you didn’t agree with them, you were brainwashed or controlled by the system. As rojo said, prominent people used to get assassinated. The world has always been crazy and chaotic. Now we get to see it with a few swipes of our fingers.
It’s also important to note none of the crazy stuff is new thinking. People thinking vaccines are mind control devices has existed for decades. Critical race theory is decades old. All the confusing non-binary transgender stuff is decades old. It’s only recently they have come back around as mainstream topics because, in my opinion, as a society we’ve reached a level of productivity such that people have nothing to do except sit in a room conjuring up new ideas for these decades old theories in an attempt to gain stardom.
Not that long ago, a European country with top-notch eduction and an industrialized economy elected a guy who assumed absolute power, plunged nearly the entire world into war, and enslaved and murdered millions of people. Things ain't so crazy compared to that.
rojo wrote:
Whenever people think, "Wow the world has never been so divisive or crazy", I remind myself, "Have people forgotten about the 1960? People were being executed left and right - the Kennedy borthers, MLK, Malcolm X, etc. "
We think it's bad now but no prominent people are being executed.
I've asked my parents about this several times and never gotten a good answer.
You haven't received an answer because it's a ridiculous reference point. Those are a handful of incidents. It's like when Trump tried to dismiss global warming based on a particularly cold day. And those are examples with far more than one explanation. It might have more to do with secret service preparation and competency level and contacts than public mindset or intent. Anybody who attempts that type of thing right now knows darn well they likely will be caught on camera instead of easily fleeing the room like James Earl Ray.
The spotlight has to be on tens of millions, not handfuls, and on day to day realities. Absolutely it is a crazier world. It is a heck of a lot easier to believe anything you are told than to decipher the truth. And in this social media age we are now allowing friends and likeminded people to chose for us. Anything they share and spread is swallowed and endorsed, regardless of how biased or preposterous. Instead of Walter Cronkite or David Brinkley editing what we see and hear every night, tens of millions rely on echo systems that spread absurdities from sources like Facebook and QAnon. The greater numbers who believe the lie the more it is deemed to be accepted and certified. Plus anyone who fights against the lie, especially from within, is ruthlessly condemned as evil, as part of the enemy if not worse than the enemy. The Liz Cheney treatment, if you will.
There have been numerous recent related studies. Conservatives are more susceptible to lies because their side savors and spreads the lies. It is volume at work, not unlike Alabama with all the 5 star recruits in football. The 5 star lies are not difficult to track:
"One of the main drivers of the findings appeared to be the American media and information environment.
“Both liberals and conservatives tend to make errors that are influenced by what is good for their side,” said Kelly Garrett, co-author of the study and professor of communication at The Ohio State University.
“But the deck is stacked against conservatives because there is so much more misinformation that supports conservative positions. As a result, conservatives are more often led astray."
“We saw that viral political falsehoods tended to benefit conservatives, while truths tended to favor liberals. That makes it a lot harder for conservatives to avoid misperceptions,” Garrett said.
Although the information environment was the primary reason conservatives were susceptible to misinformation, it may not be the only one.
Results showed that even when the information environment was taken into account, conservatives were slightly more likely to hold misperceptions than were liberals.
“It is difficult to say why that is,” Garrett said. “We can’t explain the finding with our data alone.”
https://news.osu.edu/conservatives-more-susceptible-to-believing-falsehoods/not even close
1910's - millions of men slaughtered in trenches and no mans land
1930s - depression - communist movement
1940s - epic world war, nukes exploding in cities, holocaust, millions dead
1950s - cold war, korean war, chaos in israel/middle east
1960s - vietnam tore the usa apart, assasinations, kent state
right now our chaos is Trump being a troll on twitter and a disease that kills people in their 90s
nothing makes sense wrote:
I’m only in my mid-30s, and to me it feels like all sanity and rationality and belief in objective truth have gone out the window in the last few years. Is this true, or has the world always been a senseless clustermuck?
From people believing vaccines are full of microchips to believing in “men” giving birth…it’s all insane nonsense.
It's saner now than ever.
In the US, violent crime is at an all time low, public health would be at an all time high were it not for the pandemic. Wealth is greater than ever before. There is less warfare in the Americas and Europe and Asia (sadly not so in Africa).
Awsi Dooger wrote:
rojo wrote:
Whenever people think, "Wow the world has never been so divisive or crazy", I remind myself, "Have people forgotten about the 1960? People were being executed left and right - the Kennedy borthers, MLK, Malcolm X, etc. "
We think it's bad now but no prominent people are being executed.
I've asked my parents about this several times and never gotten a good answer.
You haven't received an answer because it's a ridiculous reference point. Those are a handful of incidents. It's like when Trump tried to dismiss global warming based on a particularly cold day. And those are examples with far more than one explanation. It might have more to do with secret service preparation and competency level and contacts than public mindset or intent. Anybody who attempts that type of thing right now knows darn well they likely will be caught on camera instead of easily fleeing the room like James Earl Ray.
The spotlight has to be on tens of millions, not handfuls, and on day to day realities. Absolutely it is a crazier world. It is a heck of a lot easier to believe anything you are told than to decipher the truth. And in this social media age we are now allowing friends and likeminded people to chose for us. Anything they share and spread is swallowed and endorsed, regardless of how biased or preposterous. Instead of Walter Cronkite or David Brinkley editing what we see and hear every night, tens of millions rely on echo systems that spread absurdities from sources like Facebook and QAnon. The greater numbers who believe the lie the more it is deemed to be accepted and certified. Plus anyone who fights against the lie, especially from within, is ruthlessly condemned as evil, as part of the enemy if not worse than the enemy. The Liz Cheney treatment, if you will.
There have been numerous recent related studies. Conservatives are more susceptible to lies because their side savors and spreads the lies. It is volume at work, not unlike Alabama with all the 5 star recruits in football. The 5 star lies are not difficult to track:
"One of the main drivers of the findings appeared to be the American media and information environment.
“Both liberals and conservatives tend to make errors that are influenced by what is good for their side,” said Kelly Garrett, co-author of the study and professor of communication at The Ohio State University.
“But the deck is stacked against conservatives because there is so much more misinformation that supports conservative positions. As a result, conservatives are more often led astray."
“We saw that viral political falsehoods tended to benefit conservatives, while truths tended to favor liberals. That makes it a lot harder for conservatives to avoid misperceptions,” Garrett said.
Although the information environment was the primary reason conservatives were susceptible to misinformation, it may not be the only one.
Results showed that even when the information environment was taken into account, conservatives were slightly more likely to hold misperceptions than were liberals.
“It is difficult to say why that is,” Garrett said. “We can’t explain the finding with our data alone.”
https://news.osu.edu/conservatives-more-susceptible-to-believing-falsehoods/
I strongly agree. Dare I say, as biased as it sounds, it is absolutely glaringly obvious. And what is so obvious is that conservatives have been quite prone to embrace misconceptions. I mean, is it not the elephant in the room?
For god's sake, it is high time we called it for what it is.
rojo wrote:
Whenever people think, "Wow the world has never been so divisive or crazy", I remind myself, "Have people forgotten about the 1960? People were being executed left and right - the Kennedy borthers, MLK, Malcolm X, etc. "
We think it's bad now but no prominent people are being executed.
I've asked my parents about this several times and never gotten a good answer.
Is it just human nature to think whatever time you are living in is the craziest. This seems tame compared to the 60s. Can you imagine if Biden was executed during the last election?
I have no doubt thousands of people would make an attempt on Trump if they thought they had the smallest chance.
Why would anyone try with Biden? He's harmless and the wind already almost took him out.
Nobody wants Joe to pass, then we'd be stuck with Kamala...nobody wants to live in that world.
seattle prattle wrote:
Awsi Dooger wrote:
You haven't received an answer because it's a ridiculous reference point. Those are a handful of incidents. It's like when Trump tried to dismiss global warming based on a particularly cold day. And those are examples with far more than one explanation. It might have more to do with secret service preparation and competency level and contacts than public mindset or intent. Anybody who attempts that type of thing right now knows darn well they likely will be caught on camera instead of easily fleeing the room like James Earl Ray.
The spotlight has to be on tens of millions, not handfuls, and on day to day realities. Absolutely it is a crazier world. It is a heck of a lot easier to believe anything you are told than to decipher the truth. And in this social media age we are now allowing friends and likeminded people to chose for us. Anything they share and spread is swallowed and endorsed, regardless of how biased or preposterous. Instead of Walter Cronkite or David Brinkley editing what we see and hear every night, tens of millions rely on echo systems that spread absurdities from sources like Facebook and QAnon. The greater numbers who believe the lie the more it is deemed to be accepted and certified. Plus anyone who fights against the lie, especially from within, is ruthlessly condemned as evil, as part of the enemy if not worse than the enemy. The Liz Cheney treatment, if you will.
There have been numerous recent related studies. Conservatives are more susceptible to lies because their side savors and spreads the lies. It is volume at work, not unlike Alabama with all the 5 star recruits in football. The 5 star lies are not difficult to track:
"One of the main drivers of the findings appeared to be the American media and information environment.
“Both liberals and conservatives tend to make errors that are influenced by what is good for their side,” said Kelly Garrett, co-author of the study and professor of communication at The Ohio State University.
“But the deck is stacked against conservatives because there is so much more misinformation that supports conservative positions. As a result, conservatives are more often led astray."
“We saw that viral political falsehoods tended to benefit conservatives, while truths tended to favor liberals. That makes it a lot harder for conservatives to avoid misperceptions,” Garrett said.
Although the information environment was the primary reason conservatives were susceptible to misinformation, it may not be the only one.
Results showed that even when the information environment was taken into account, conservatives were slightly more likely to hold misperceptions than were liberals.
“It is difficult to say why that is,” Garrett said. “We can’t explain the finding with our data alone.”
https://news.osu.edu/conservatives-more-susceptible-to-believing-falsehoods/I strongly agree. Dare I say, as biased as it sounds, it is absolutely glaringly obvious. And what is so obvious is that conservatives have been quite prone to embrace misconceptions. I mean, is it not the elephant in the room?
For god's sake, it is high time we called it for what it is.
"Conservatives are more susceptible to lies because their side savors and spreads the lies"
Lmao, literally the same can be said for Leftists.
Both sides have fringe wackos. Both sides have reasonable people. If you think one side is more wacko or more reasonable that is your bias showing.
Both sides need to stop pointing to the wackos on the other side and claiming that all of them are like that.
The reasonable people from both sides need to start communicating like mature adults otherwise things will continue to get more divisive and violent.
".In the census of 1930, two million children aged 10-18 still worked and 700,000 were under the age of 15"
Last lynching was in 1961 in USA.
yeah, things are much better.
Vax Man wrote:
"Conservatives are more susceptible to lies because their side savors and spreads the lies"
Lmao, literally the same can be said for Leftists.
Both sides have fringe wackos. Both sides have reasonable people. If you think one side is more wacko or more reasonable that is your bias showing.
Both sides need to stop pointing to the wackos on the other side and claiming that all of them are like that.
The reasonable people from both sides need to start communicating like mature adults otherwise things will continue to get more divisive and violent.
I think the issue is that the 'leftist' wackos are being wackos are on the fringes and doing it from behind computer screens and the odd march/protest. The conservative wackos are being elected to all levels of government and confirmed on to the Supreme Court.