Wow: Prof who testified against S. Houlihan is featured in article on how boar taint is inevitable if you eat enough pork

Tres wrote:

This subject of cryptorchidism is near and dear to my pants. As a young boy I was perplexed about the mention of "balls" because I only had one, and by the time I knew that two was the common number, I had decided to never mention it. I don't know how this condition escaped detection by a doctor for all those years, but it did, and I entered puberty with one and then avoided situations that might display my 50% compliance with expectations. (That includes all organized athletics.) Then when I was 19, my first "active" girlfriend found it amusing and named it "Uno" and was also amazed at the amount of baby batter being manufactured by the one, but after about three months of fun she admitted that it really bothered her and we broke up. That's when I sought medical help. It was pretty straightforward: a sequence of 3 increasing ovaloid prosthetics in order to expand my sack, arriving at a size-matched twin who I named "Dos" (of course.) I didn't like that they hung front-to-back instead of side-by-side, but I'll admit that this configuration was more functional for running. Anyway, fast forward 15 years and my wife was inconceivable, so we went to doctors and I told of my groinal history and my doctor asked "did they check for a cryptorchid?" and I was like "What???" and he checked and lo and behold tucked inside me was exactly what should have been there, except in a different place. He concluded that "Tres" was perfectly functional but that my internal body heat was fouling the tailstroke of his swimmers, and that was interacting with the Lochte swimmers from Uno, so we could just disconnect "Tres" and that would likely fix the impregnability problem and I was like "Whoa!!! That ain'st gonna happen! Get him up where he belongs!" So more sequential surgeries, letting the ducting stretch on its own, and a decided mappage of front-to-back storage as established, and one final surgery in which the dude with the scalpel didn't get the instruction to remove Dos. Which might have been fine with me I guess but my lawyer friend suggested that it was emotionally traumatizing and for that I got all that surgery for free plus enough money to remodel our baby daughter Tracy's (get it, Tres-y) room. I still haven't bothered to pay out of pocket (elective cosmetics) to get Dos unsacked, and they still hang in a straight line front to back like a Newton's Cradle. And that's all I have to say about that.

casual obsever wrote:

rojo wrote:Now this is a great post. This is what I've been looking for.

Can you please elaborate on where the report said that her positive test was " "consistent with the carbon isotope signature of commercial pork?"

I want to know if it's 1 in a 100,000 or one in a million or 1 in a hundred million, etc.

Page 39, no. 119:

The Panel finds that the carbon isotope signature of the Athlete’s A- and B-Samples is neither consistent with the carbon isotope signature of commercial pork in the United States nor her own signature.

There is no number assigned to the chance. But, all the other problems come with "possible" or "possible but improbable" (which was the "far less than 1 in 10,000") or with "possible but highly improbable". This carbon isotope signature isn't even called "possible but...".

If you want details, this is what the interested readers learned about these delta delta C values:

Shelby: delta 13 C of -19 per mille

Farm pig: delta 13 C of -19 per mille (and their nandrolone)

Shelby's nandrolone: delta 13 C of -23 per mille

Injectable nandrolone: delta 13 C of -23.6 per mille (mean value)

Nor-DHEA: delta 13 C of -23.7 per mille

Nor-Andro Max: delta 13 C of -23.8 per mille

Other dopers: delta 13 C of -22 to -30(ish) per mille

Commercial nandrolone UK: delta 13 C of -21 to -33 per mille

Wild boar (in Germany/Estonia): delta 13 C of -19 to -24 per mille

Tres wrote:

This subject of cryptorchidism is near and dear to my pants. As a young boy I was perplexed about the mention of "balls" because I only had one, and by the time I knew that two was the common number, I had decided to never mention it. I don't know how this condition escaped detection by a doctor for all those years, but it did, and I entered puberty with one and then avoided situations that might display my 50% compliance with expectations. (That includes all organized athletics.) Then when I was 19, my first "active" girlfriend found it amusing and named it "Uno" and was also amazed at the amount of baby batter being manufactured by the one, but after about three months of fun she admitted that it really bothered her and we broke up. That's when I sought medical help. It was pretty straightforward: a sequence of 3 increasing ovaloid prosthetics in order to expand my sack, arriving at a size-matched twin who I named "Dos" (of course.) I didn't like that they hung front-to-back instead of side-by-side, but I'll admit that this configuration was more functional for running. Anyway, fast forward 15 years and my wife was inconceivable, so we went to doctors and I told of my groinal history and my doctor asked "did they check for a cryptorchid?" and I was like "What???" and he checked and lo and behold tucked inside me was exactly what should have been there, except in a different place. He concluded that "Tres" was perfectly functional but that my internal body heat was fouling the tailstroke of his swimmers, and that was interacting with the Lochte swimmers from Uno, so we could just disconnect "Tres" and that would likely fix the impregnability problem and I was like "Whoa!!! That ain'st gonna happen! Get him up where he belongs!" So more sequential surgeries, letting the ducting stretch on its own, and a decided mappage of front-to-back storage as established, and one final surgery in which the dude with the scalpel didn't get the instruction to remove Dos. Which might have been fine with me I guess but my lawyer friend suggested that it was emotionally traumatizing and for that I got all that surgery for free plus enough money to remodel our baby daughter Tracy's (get it, Tres-y) room. I still haven't bothered to pay out of pocket (elective cosmetics) to get Dos unsacked, and they still hang in a straight line front to back like a Newton's Cradle. And that's all I have to say about that.

rojo wrote:

Szolt Bende wrote:

It is really disturbing that Let’s Run wants to position itself as a journalism outlet, while simultaneously trafficking in shade, hearsay, calumny, etc. Internet chat rooms are fine, but those who want to consider themselves to be journalists should not have a revolving door to gossip. Believe it or not—and yes I am aware that many who come here will choose not to because you probably don’t know any real journalists—most journalists refrain assiduously from publicly engaging in partisanship. It is an important distinction that the Internet age has muddled. Let’s Run is an internet business, not a news outlet, however much it may aspire to such a status. The owner’s willingness to post threads such as this underscores this point. Hire someone as an editorial commentator to argue that Houlihan is not a cheater, but don’t ask us to take you seriously at press conferences if you continually post misleading threads such as this.

Dude. I'm allowed to be a fan. I was posting this as a fan at like midnight while I was waiting for my wife to come home from work.

All journalists are biased. The most biased are those who act like they don't have private feelings. I'm posting a private posting on the messageboard. Would you rather I post it aonymously. Would that make you feel better?

I'm open to the possibility she went rogue. But i have great faith in the team being clean.

I just was stunned to see the guy who testified against her as being used as a source in an article talking about how boar taint is bound to happen.

rojo wrote:

I must admit that I was stunned to find myself tonight reading an article on stinky barbecue where the person the author used to remind the readers that if you eat enough meet it's basically inevitable that you'll run into "boar taint" as some pigs are going to be cryptorchid (meaning they have hidden or undescended testicles) was none other than Dr. John McGlone, the man used an expert witness against Shelby Houlihan.

In the Houlihan case, Prof McGlone estimated that the "probability of a cryptorchid actually entering the pork supply chain is far less than 1 in 10,000" which seems impossible but in this article, it's presented as an inevitability.

jesspryles wrote:

Dr. McGlone observes that some mammals are Cryptorchid (meaning they have hidden or undescended testicles). “This means that even if outwardly castrated, the animal can still be an intact male internally, and boar taint will occur”, explains Dr. McGlone.

https://jesspryles.com/boar-taint/

rojo wrote:

a0if4n wrote:

She didn't even submit all her supplements to be tested

She had a ridiculous ascent from good US/mediocre international runner to dominant US and world beater between 2017 and 2018.

I don't like falsehoods. she tried to submit all of her supplements but didn't have them all. I don't think she's on very many. Most women are on like iron and vitamin B12. But if you don't have the actual box you were taking at the time, then you are out of luck.

Yes I get her improvement was very large. So was my brothers.

I get why people are suspicious, but the reality is the improvement of all US women competitive on the world stage is massive as to where they were in college to where they were as pros. Sahalne Flanagan didn't break 15:05 in college. Kara Goucher didn't break 15:28. Molly Huddle didn't break 15:30.

You have to believe breakthroughs are possible when people start doing altitude training and training at a high level or what's the point of being a fan. My brother went from 30:13 in college to 28:06. And don't tell me he was doping as he was injured all the time.

Is it crazy to think that an NCAA champ who was obsessed with the 800 could end up being world class in the 1500 when she started doing more endurance training particularly when her mother used to be a marathoner?

Or she may have gone rogue. I don't know. But I hate how people act like the improvement makes it clear.