Just saw a help wanted sign for McDonalds: starting at $18

Liberals are morons wrote:

capitalism means only i make more money wrote:

For virtually every business, including McDonald's, the customer's prices go up every year. The business's revenue goes up every year. The business's expenses go up every year. The owner's profit's go up every year. For some incredibly moronic reason, the ONLY thing that you think should stay the same year after year is the salary of the workers.

You're a smooth-brained boomer who thinks that all McDonalds make exactly 150k and pay exactly 600k in payroll because that's the average you found through google, and that it's always been that way, and it will always be that way. ONE McDonald's is working with different numbers and can pay 18/hr and you cry because it shatters your superiority complex about making over 30k a year before you retired to hang out with your fat ugly spouse.

Is it really so crazy to you that McD's worker wages are going up? If the jump is too big for your brain to comprehend, it's just because the wages have stagnated the last 15 years. This is a correction.

The extra unemployment benefits are gone. If McD's can't get workers now, it's supply and demand capitalism, baby. You guys love that stuff.

Finally, if you think that the Owners are entitled to 150k a year while paying 30 people starvation wages FOREVER, no matter how much money they make for the owner, get bent.

Nice emotional display! We know you're upset... The problem is you don't have any idea WHY you're upset.

Salaries do not stay the same year after year. They increase right along with everything else. The jobs are also VOLUNTARY so if you know the wage when you take the position and you are free to choose a different job if you think the wage is too low.

Statistics are a thing whether you've heard of them or not. The average numbers of McDonald's franchisees are the average numbers even if you don't like what they demonstrate. The AVERAGES are the AVERAGES for a reason... if you pick 1 franchise at random out of the million franchises guess what their numbers are most likely going to look like. No one alive thinks the average of anything is intended to represent every scenario.

If you think everyone who disagrees with you is a "boomer" you're a fool who's living in an echo chamber. You need to make more friends because the crowd you're currently running with is only a tiny ignorant slice of the pie.

And hell yes the owners are entitled to $150k a year while paying minimum wage to ENTRY level workers that can be dragged in off the street and trained in 15 minutes.

If it's such an easy gig why don't you put the $1 million + is takes to open a franchise and pay all the fees and then you can be a hero and pay all of your 15 year old employees $50 an hour.

Capitalism is the greatest economic system the world has ever seen and only the ignorant think otherwise.

capitalism means only i make more money wrote:

Liberals are morons wrote:

Nice emotional display! We know you're upset... The problem is you don't have any idea WHY you're upset.

Salaries do not stay the same year after year. They increase right along with everything else. The jobs are also VOLUNTARY so if you know the wage when you take the position and you are free to choose a different job if you think the wage is too low.

Statistics are a thing whether you've heard of them or not. The average numbers of McDonald's franchisees are the average numbers even if you don't like what they demonstrate. The AVERAGES are the AVERAGES for a reason... if you pick 1 franchise at random out of the million franchises guess what their numbers are most likely going to look like. No one alive thinks the average of anything is intended to represent every scenario.

If you think everyone who disagrees with you is a "boomer" you're a fool who's living in an echo chamber. You need to make more friends because the crowd you're currently running with is only a tiny ignorant slice of the pie.

And hell yes the owners are entitled to $150k a year while paying minimum wage to ENTRY level workers that can be dragged in off the street and trained in 15 minutes.

If it's such an easy gig why don't you put the $1 million + is takes to open a franchise and pay all the fees and then you can be a hero and pay all of your 15 year old employees $50 an hour.

Capitalism is the greatest economic system the world has ever seen and only the ignorant think otherwise.

Why do you scream about the average McDonald's? We're talking about the one single McDonald's paying people 18$/hr. You assume it's the average. You would be smarter (but still stupid) to assume it was the median.

Look dude, salaries go up. Houses, Rent, Cost of Living, Food, all of it. It all goes up. So does McDonald's worker wages. The current market rate in one location is apparently 18$/hr. Higher COL in that area or more competition for employees. That's capitalism. That's supply and demand.

Did you feel smart and successful when you retired at 17$/hr in 2012? Is that why this bothers you? Do you have some other reason to be mad about someone you don't know paying someone else you don't know 18$/hr? I'm all ears. Because I don't get it.

As an example, rent has skyrocketed in this country because of a number of factors. You don't complain, which makes sense if you don't rent. If you are a landlord, you probably like it. But you don't own a McDonalds. You don't pay people who work there. It doesn't affect you. So what is your beef with McDonald's paying more? Why does this specifically trigger your impotent rage?

X-Runner wrote:

Liberals are morons wrote:

McDonald's provides all the recipes. McDonald's does all the market research. McDonald's provides the BRAND that brings people in the doors.

OF COURSE they will profit off the franchisees the the franchisees are only making any money at all by exploiting the brand that McDonald's built.

Entry level fast food jobs are not intended to be jobs you live off of. If you raise the wages of the bottom rung on the ladder every other rung will justifiably want a raise as well.

Yes, McDonalds provides all of that to keep the brand going and sure they should profit.

But we are talking about an 82% profit margin.

Corp is only making any money at all because the franchises take plenty of risk for everyday market conditions while Corp takes an oversize chunk.

They use their leverage that they will simply find another investor if a franchisee doesn't like the terms.

If you have bought into a McDonalds franchise, you have no choice but to accept their terms.

If the labor shortage gets so bad that it forces wages up to the point where they can't run a profit and need to close down, then Corp loses out.

Or Corp can ease up on their fees to allow for higher wages and they still would both make a profit.

In this case, we are talking about market conditions forcing wages up.

Liberals are morons wrote:

capitalism means only i make more money wrote:

Why do you scream about the average McDonald's? We're talking about the one single McDonald's paying people 18$/hr. You assume it's the average. You would be smarter (but still stupid) to assume it was the median.

Look dude, salaries go up. Houses, Rent, Cost of Living, Food, all of it. It all goes up. So does McDonald's worker wages. The current market rate in one location is apparently 18$/hr. Higher COL in that area or more competition for employees. That's capitalism. That's supply and demand.

Did you feel smart and successful when you retired at 17$/hr in 2012? Is that why this bothers you? Do you have some other reason to be mad about someone you don't know paying someone else you don't know 18$/hr? I'm all ears. Because I don't get it.

As an example, rent has skyrocketed in this country because of a number of factors. You don't complain, which makes sense if you don't rent. If you are a landlord, you probably like it. But you don't own a McDonalds. You don't pay people who work there. It doesn't affect you. So what is your beef with McDonald's paying more? Why does this specifically trigger your impotent rage?

Why are you pretending that leftists like yourself only want the minimum wage raised for one McDonald's? lol...

If you were a little brighter you would understand that raising the bottom salaries results in the raising of all salaries that will directly lead to an increase in prices in all sectors.

The evil capitalists running businesses will not just bend over and eat the cost of higher labor as you seem to believe.

You should spend less time trying to personally insult strangers you know absolutely nothing about and more time reading about the subjects you are woefully ignorant about...

You are projecting with all of this "impotent rage" nonsense. I'm sorry you're disappointed with how your life is going but that doesn't mean everyone else is unhappy too. Pro-tip: making $18 an hour serving fries isn't going to fix the gaping hole in your life little fella.

Work on your personality and the money will follow.

X-Runner wrote:

Liberals are morons wrote:

The current labor shortage is 99.999% due to COVID and unemployment checks being more profitable than going to work. They are literally paying people just to interview in my area and they still can't get people to work. Why is that? Because fast food jobs are predominantly held by kids who aren't working to house and feed themselves but just for spending money and school.

This is the only issue from what I wrote that you addressed.

And you're wrong.

The federal unemployment benefits have ended.

McDonalds stayed open this whole time. Which employees lost their job to apply for unemployment?

Some quit to stay safe or found another job.

Are kids who otherwise be working at McDonalds getting unemployment now?

I have trouble picturing millions of high school kids saying home and collecting unemployment benefits who would rush off to work at McDonalds otherwise.

capitalism means only i make more money wrote:

Liberals are morons wrote:

Why are you pretending that leftists like yourself only want the minimum wage raised for one McDonald's? lol...

If you were a little brighter you would understand that raising the bottom salaries results in the raising of all salaries that will directly lead to an increase in prices in all sectors.

The evil capitalists running businesses will not just bend over and eat the cost of higher labor as you seem to believe.

You should spend less time trying to personally insult strangers you know absolutely nothing about and more time reading about the subjects you are woefully ignorant about...

You are projecting with all of this "impotent rage" nonsense. I'm sorry you're disappointed with how your life is going but that doesn't mean everyone else is unhappy too. Pro-tip: making $18 an hour serving fries isn't going to fix the gaping hole in your life little fella.

Work on your personality and the money will follow.

You didn't answer any of my questions, boomer. Useless talking to you. You're triggered by somebody making money that you think is half-way decent. That makes no sense to me.

You're playing armchair psychologist now, too. I'm not even Leftist. My username is about you morons thinking that only owners should make money. I'm telling you, that $18/hr stuff is capitalism at work and you're the one crying about it. I have you pegged as a fat, balding white guy over 65 who hasn't had sex in 20 years. I'm exactly right because everyone who talks like you is exactly that.

You can't stay on topic to save your life, you just start stating first grade philosophical statments like "Capitalism is the best economic structure" for no reason. Just please explain why you care about somebody getting paid $18/hr to sell burgers. They still create profit for the guy who owns the business. What is the problem?

X-Runner wrote:

Liberals are morons wrote:

The current labor shortage is 99.999% due to COVID and unemployment checks being more profitable than going to work. They are literally paying people just to interview in my area and they still can't get people to work. Why is that? Because fast food jobs are predominantly held by kids who aren't working to house and feed themselves but just for spending money and school.

This is the only issue from what I wrote that you addressed.

And you're wrong.

The federal unemployment benefits have ended.

McDonalds stayed open this whole time. Which employees lost their job to apply for unemployment?

Some quit to stay safe or found another job.

Are kids who otherwise be working at McDonalds getting unemployment now?

I have trouble picturing millions of high school kids saying home and collecting unemployment benefits who would rush off to work at McDonalds otherwise.

Liberals are morons wrote:

capitalism means only i make more money wrote:

You didn't answer any of my questions, boomer. Useless talking to you. You're triggered by somebody making money that you think is half-way decent. That makes no sense to me.

You're playing armchair psychologist now, too. I'm not even Leftist. My username is about you morons thinking that only owners should make money. I'm telling you, that $18/hr stuff is capitalism at work and you're the one crying about it. I have you pegged as a fat, balding white guy over 65 who hasn't had sex in 20 years. I'm exactly right because everyone who talks like you is exactly that.

You can't stay on topic to save your life, you just start stating first grade philosophical statments like "Capitalism is the best economic structure" for no reason. Just please explain why you care about somebody getting paid $18/hr to sell burgers. They still create profit for the guy who owns the business. What is the problem?

I'm not triggered by anything. I just understand how economics actually works and I realize randomly doubling the wages of workers for emotional reasons will have negative impacts on the economy for everyone including the people you're pretending to care about.

It doesn't matter what your immature mind self-identifies as... your arguments are decidedly leftist. lol.

You do not understand the economics of this even a tiny bit. Anyone who thinks the business owners will raise wages and just eat the loss from their profits out of the kindness of their hearts is too ignorant to be giving their opinion on the subject in public. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

If I was in 10th grade I would completely agree with you. Yes, it would be great if everyone could make $500k a year and get free hand jobs in the break room. That's not reality.

Ex Jockstrap wrote:

same 'ol same 'ol wrote:

Wasn't there some big fuss a couple of years ago about how $15 an hour would put them all out of business?

If paying $15/hr was such bad unaffordable unrealistic business plan, why are they now printing huge banners begging people to come work for $18/hr? It's almost as if they could have afforded to pay an above poverty-level wage this entire time....

The entire American illusion that billion $ corporations paying people poverty wages is an economic necessity seems to be crumbling...

You must live in an expensive area of the country where the franchises were having problems getting workers before this health care crisis.

As others have stated there has been inflation in the pricing of McDonalds prices. I normally order from the value menu one burger and have an "illegal" water that I bring from home if I ever eat McDonalds. The value double burgers have gone up 50 cents where I live. It's a huge increase percentage wise.

If I get stuck at dinner time not close to home I order a burger meal and that is now around 10 dollars without the drink or fries as I usually get a double quarter pounder without cheese and a dessert.

All for marginal poisonous food that only has decent protein content.