wazzu1452 wrote:
Salazar coached many many great athletes and NONE of them have EVER failed a drug test.
Slaney.
Salazar admitted to doping with testosterone.
These are facts.
wazzu1452 wrote:
Salazar coached many many great athletes and NONE of them have EVER failed a drug test.
Slaney.
Salazar admitted to doping with testosterone.
These are facts.
under a bridge wrote:
wazzu1452 wrote:
Salazar coached many many great athletes and NONE of them have EVER failed a drug test.
Slaney.
Salazar admitted to doping with testosterone.
These are facts.
Which led to ZERO failed drug tests............NONE. NADA, ZILCH.
wazzu1452 wrote:
under a bridge wrote:
Slaney.
Salazar admitted to doping with testosterone.
These are facts.
Which led to ZERO failed drug tests............NONE. NADA, ZILCH.
Slaney
So no NOP athletes......got it!
Slaney was coached by multiple people in the 1990's. Many coaches and NEVER just Salazar.
Also, 30 years ago........
wazzu1452 wrote:
I made a false statement. Thank you for correcting me.
Indeed. You're welcome.
under a bridge wrote:
wazzu1452 wrote:
I made a false statement. Thank you for correcting me.
Indeed. You're welcome.
‘All I know is that Alberto Salazar never coached Mary Decker-Slaney, I know that for a fact, he never did.’ ~ Ian Stewart, the former head of endurance at UK Athletics
I guess it's he said/she said....Hersey, conjecture, circumstantial.
Thanks.
(any other 1990's stories you want to discuss? OJ Trial?)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3119149/Former-head-endurance-UK-Athletics-Ian-Stewart-backs-Mo-Farah-s-coach-Alberto-Salazar-court-big-doping-storm.htmlwazzu1452 wrote:
under a bridge wrote:
Indeed. You're welcome.
‘All I know is that Alberto Salazar never coached Mary Decker-Slaney, I know that for a fact, he never did.’ ~ Ian Stewart, the former head of endurance at UK Athletics
I guess it's he said/she said....Hersey, conjecture, circumstantial.
Thanks.
(any other 1990's stories you want to discuss? OJ Trial?)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3119149/Former-head-endurance-UK-Athletics-Ian-Stewart-backs-Mo-Farah-s-coach-Alberto-Salazar-court-big-doping-storm.html
I mean, they're kind of lying. There's a bajillion newpaper articles where he's her "coach", but there's not many I'm aware of that make Salazar the "assistant coach" or "consultant" or some other minor role.
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/05/01/sports/olympics-slaney-slows-down-to-speed-things-up.htmlFartKing69 wrote:
wazzu1452 wrote:
‘All I know is that Alberto Salazar never coached Mary Decker-Slaney, I know that for a fact, he never did.’ ~ Ian Stewart, the former head of endurance at UK Athletics
I guess it's he said/she said....Hersey, conjecture, circumstantial.
Thanks.
(any other 1990's stories you want to discuss? OJ Trial?)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3119149/Former-head-endurance-UK-Athletics-Ian-Stewart-backs-Mo-Farah-s-coach-Alberto-Salazar-court-big-doping-storm.htmlI mean, they're kind of lying. There's a bajillion newpaper articles where he's her "coach", but there's not many I'm aware of that make Salazar the "assistant coach" or "consultant" or some other minor role.
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/05/01/sports/olympics-slaney-slows-down-to-speed-things-up.html
And by "not many" I mean I have found zero, but they may be out there.
How about a Mary Decker-Slaney interview from 2015?
“Mary Slaney also denied reports that Salazar was her coach in 1996. She said she was training with Bill Dellinger, the former University of Oregon coach”
https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/12-sports/263738-135322-back-in-the-race
rekrunner wrote:
How about a Mary Decker-Slaney interview from 2015?
“Mary Slaney also denied reports that Salazar was her coach in 1996. She said she was training with Bill Dellinger, the former University of Oregon coach”
https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/12-sports/263738-135322-back-in-the-race
Okay there's one, and it comes after the allegations had surfaced. Find me one from before and I'll be more impressed.
Anyway, here's Salazar contacting a lawyer for Decker's defense:
https://law.duke.edu/news/pdf/lawmagfall98.pdfsalazarsaladbar wrote:
“It also emphasized that none of the ADRVs directly affected athletic competition, and that there was no evidence put before the CAS as to any effect on athletes competing at the elite level within the NOP”
If you were content with the results of the Houlihan case you must be consistent with this. Salazar got suspended for exceeding boundaries with Steve and his son with Test/L-car and messing around with Dr Brown, NOT for doping any of his NOP athletes
Any allegations that Salazar doped his athletes or that any of his athletes are dirty is officially unfounded and found not credible by the highest court in our sport.
AMEN to that brother!!!!
wazzu1452 wrote:
under a bridge wrote:
Slaney.
Salazar admitted to doping with testosterone.
These are facts.
Which led to ZERO failed drug tests............NONE. NADA, ZILCH.
It’s a good thing too.
If any of his athletes failed, they would have changed his ban of life to life plus a week or so.
rekrunner wrote:
Yusef Scumm. wrote:
One of the reasons Shady Al got the boot was possession of testosterone.
Isn’t that a crime? Why wasn’t he charged with drug possession?
The WADA code is not criminal law. It is a contract between parties.
He has a doctor’s note and a genuine medical need for personal use of testosterone.
Not accurate. Read the leaked report on Dr Brown to the Texas medical board. No documentation was provided by Salazar as to his actual testosterone levels and any Androgel prescription. USADA specifically mentions this, plus their difficultly in getting requested documents. I’m guessing they didn’t get everything (nothing to see here?!), but eventually USADA decided they had enough to move forward.
The reports and rulings are from the evidence that USADA had, but I doubt from the entire evidence pool. Why were documents changed? Why was NOP not forthcoming with documents? All that casts doubt on claims of no PED use.
wazzu1452 wrote:
under a bridge wrote:
Indeed. You're welcome.
‘All I know is that Alberto Salazar never coached Mary Decker-Slaney, I know that for a fact, he never did.’ ~ Ian Stewart, the former head of endurance at UK Athletics
I guess it's he said/she said....Hersey, conjecture, circumstantial.
Thanks.
(any other 1990's stories you want to discuss? OJ Trial?)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3119149/Former-head-endurance-UK-Athletics-Ian-Stewart-backs-Mo-Farah-s-coach-Alberto-Salazar-court-big-doping-storm.html
I’ll say something positive in this thread…..
I’m guessing Salazar’s neck is feeling better nowadays, being it doesn’t have to bear the added weight of those pesky all access passes to track meets :)
FartKing69 wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
How about a Mary Decker-Slaney interview from 2015?
“Mary Slaney also denied reports that Salazar was her coach in 1996. She said she was training with Bill Dellinger, the former University of Oregon coach”
Okay there's one, and it comes after the allegations had surfaced. Find me one from before and I'll be more impressed.
Anyway, here's Salazar contacting a lawyer for Decker's defense:
It’s not my duty to impress you. You were looking for an article and I found one within a few minutes.
The Duke Law publication doesn’t say Salazar was her coach.
It is an interesting read though — it reads as if the IAAF was railroading innocent athletes as far back as 1996: “the system simply rolls over you”.
Your link provides some details and a deeper insight into her defense:
- it is not unusual for t/e ratios to fluctuate for 37 year old women, particularly with a history of medical conditions
- The IOC’s own research shows birth control can increase t/e ratios
- After Slaney, they use a more reliable test to determine the cause, and not just statistics
Furthermore, it seems highly unusual to be sanctioned by both the USATF and the IAAF — today under WADA rules, only one would have the jurisdiction, and it would be up to WADA to appeal, not the IAAF.
AWNOPe wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
The WADA code is not criminal law. It is a contract between parties.
He has a doctor’s note and a genuine medical need for personal use of testosterone.
Not accurate. Read the leaked report on Dr Brown to the Texas medical board. No documentation was provided by Salazar as to his actual testosterone levels and any Androgel prescription. USADA specifically mentions this, plus their difficultly in getting requested documents. I’m guessing they didn’t get everything (nothing to see here?!), but eventually USADA decided they had enough to move forward.
The reports and rulings are from the evidence that USADA had, but I doubt from the entire evidence pool. Why were documents changed? Why was NOP not forthcoming with documents? All that casts doubt on claims of no PED use.
If I’m not accurate, it is usually customary to show that with contradictory information.
Salazar had a prescription and was being treated for the condition.
That alone is sufficient to make it WADA legal for a coach to possess and use.
It is not USADA’s role to appoint themselves as doctor providing a second opinion.
You may doubt all you want but all that evidence added up to nothing. Just a reminder, this wasn’t just “never failed a test”:
“USADA’s investigation yielded a wide range of evidence referenced in the hearing, including eye-witness proof, testimonies, contemporaneous emails, and patient records. Between the two cases, USADA relied on more than 2,000 exhibits, which the AAA heard along with the defendants’ cases. In all, the proceedings included 30 witnesses and 5,780 pages of transcripts.”
And not one NOP athlete charged with PED use. This casts doubt on all that doubt.
Decent point.