The only quote I care about from the Salazar release

Amen. No evidence of elite athletes doing anything.

Agreed.

Thanks for stating this in a clear rational manner. This won't stop the brojos and other message board rodents from spewing lies, but good to speak the truth.

Tinny 2 Shoes wrote:

Agreed.

Exactly. Unlike Houlihan's offal BS, Salazar essentially admitted to the events/facts, he just thought he was still inside the rules.

Kind of surprising they didn't reduce it to a two year ban or time served.

duck sauce wrote:

Amen. No evidence of elite athletes doing anything.

What do you think Al was doing with all that test he had that got him banned?

If he wasn’t supplying it to his athletes, why did he have it?

Is he a dealer? Personal use? Lol…..

He was caught….. Bye Bye

It’s spelled R U P P *

One of the reasons Shady Al got the boot was possession of testosterone.

Isn’t that a crime? Why wasn’t he charged with drug possession?

Yusef Scumm. wrote:

One of the reasons Shady Al got the boot was possession of testosterone.

Isn’t that a crime? Why wasn’t he charged with drug possession?

The WADA code is not criminal law. It is a contract between parties.

He has a doctor’s note and a genuine medical need for personal use of testosterone.

salazarsaladbar wrote:

“It also emphasized that none of the ADRVs directly affected athletic competition, and that there was no evidence put before the CAS as to any effect on athletes competing at the elite level within the NOP”

If you were content with the results of the Houlihan case you must be consistent with this. Salazar got suspended for exceeding boundaries with Steve and his son with Test/L-car and messing around with Dr Brown, NOT for doping any of his NOP athletes

Any allegations that Salazar doped his athletes or that any of his athletes are dirty is officially unfounded and found not credible by the highest court in our sport.

This is probably the most important confirmation.

The totality of evidence collected came from 30+ witnesses — current and former NOP employees and athlete, thousands of emails and documents.

This confirmation of no NOP athletes found doping comes from the prosecutor USADA, and was confirmed by the AAA Panel and again by CAS.

After 5 years of investigation, 2 years of prosecution, and 2 years of appeal, there is simply no basis in evidence or fact to accuse any NOP athlete of any doping.

The only thing (slightly) wrong with your post is that no one cares about L-carnitine. This only became a problem because it was mixed with too much liquid, and too much liquid infused in a short time frame is banned, with or without L-carnitine.

Another thing wrong in other posts in other threads, is this misplaced focus on TUEs — NOP didn’t use that many TUEs, because they didn’t need to, and in any case, TUEs are WADA legal for many banned substances in specified cases.

salazarsaladbar wrote:

“It also emphasized that none of the ADRVs directly affected athletic competition, and that there was no evidence put before the CAS as to any effect on athletes competing at the elite level within the NOP”

If you were content with the results of the Houlihan case you must be consistent with this. Salazar got suspended for exceeding boundaries with Steve and his son with Test/L-car and messing around with Dr Brown, NOT for doping any of his NOP athletes

Any allegations that Salazar doped his athletes or that any of his athletes are dirty is officially unfounded and found not credible by the highest court in our sport.

Yes. I am consistent with this. No evidence was put before cas as to any effect on athletes. they didnt need to, and it would have been ocunter productive. they also didnt lay any evidence that salazar drives a car, eats, sleeps or farts. it is irrelevent. for this case, they had what they needed, so they didnt put any more down.

cas had to make the statement they made in order to protecte any innocent athletes there might be, no matter how unlikely.

but by no means does this lend any weight to a belief that he didnt - just this wasnt considered.

English, please.

rekrunner wrote:

Yusef Scumm. wrote:

One of the reasons Shady Al got the boot was possession of testosterone.

Isn’t that a crime? Why wasn’t he charged with drug possession?

The WADA code is not criminal law. It is a contract between parties.

He has a doctor’s note and a genuine medical need for personal use of testosterone.

That doesn’t make sense.

If the testosterone linked to Salazar only included his personal prescribed amount, there’s no possible way it would be included as one of the reasons for his ban.

Lol…. This is the same response another poster wrote earlier in the thread.

I’ll ask you the same question: If the testosterone, carnitine, etc Salazar was banned for wasn’t for his athletes, who was it for? You don’t need that much for “testing” as he claimed.

Can't read this wrote:

English, please.

Pupil3142 points out the differences between

"there was no evidence put before the CAS"

and

"there is no evidence".

In fact, we know that there is evidence for doping NOP elite, as demonstrated in the lengthy AAA report and the even lengthier leaked USADA draft. As discussed in detail here on letsrun when those reports came out.

Ultimately that evidence wasn't enough for a ban, but the PR guys here should stop pretending that there was no evidence.

Yusef Scumm. wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

The WADA code is not criminal law. It is a contract between parties.

He has a doctor’s note and a genuine medical need for personal use of testosterone.

That doesn’t make sense.

If the testosterone linked to Salazar only included his personal prescribed amount, there’s no possible way it would be included as one of the reasons for his ban.

He was not, and could not, be banned for possession, but he was banned for trafficking to a third party.

Yusef Scumm. wrote:

Lol…. This is the same response another poster wrote earlier in the thread.

I’ll ask you the same question: If the testosterone, carnitine, etc Salazar was banned for wasn’t for his athletes, who was it for? You don’t need that much for “testing” as he claimed.

No one cares about L-carnitine. It is not banned. L-carnitine was for everyone.

The testosterone was for his sons, in an experiment designed to understand the risk of sabotage.

pupil3142 wrote:

Yes. I am consistent with this. No evidence was put before cas as to any effect on athletes. they didnt need to, and it would have been ocunter productive. they also didnt lay any evidence that salazar drives a car, eats, sleeps or farts. it is irrelevent. for this case, they had what they needed, so they didnt put any more down.

cas had to make the statement they made in order to protecte any innocent athletes there might be, no matter how unlikely.

but by no means does this lend any weight to a belief that he didnt - just this wasnt considered.

In addition to the evidence before CAS, in the initial investigation, USADA/Tygart considered it, leaving no stone unturned. He brought no charges against any NOP athlete, and reaffirmed that if WADA conducted an independent investigation, they would find nothing else.

rekrunner wrote:

pupil3142 wrote:

Yes. I am consistent with this. No evidence was put before cas as to any effect on athletes. they didnt need to, and it would have been ocunter productive. they also didnt lay any evidence that salazar drives a car, eats, sleeps or farts. it is irrelevent. for this case, they had what they needed, so they didnt put any more down.

cas had to make the statement they made in order to protecte any innocent athletes there might be, no matter how unlikely.

but by no means does this lend any weight to a belief that he didnt - just this wasnt considered.

In addition to the evidence before CAS, in the initial investigation, USADA/Tygart considered it, leaving no stone unturned. He brought no charges against any NOP athlete, and reaffirmed that if WADA conducted an independent investigation, they would find nothing else.

Yes. They looked a mountain of evidence, and picked the best bits. Show me at which point the CAS/WADA/USADA says "Salazar never doped his athletes." They never said that. They just said that the charges they got him on have nothing to do with his athletes gaining an advantage. They never discredited the other allegations.

Spewing lies? What are you talking about. I've consistently said I've found the Salazar ban to be unsatisfying. An "evil" coach is banned but none of his athletes ever doped- like logically it's just contradictory. I also said though that he clearly violated the rules and was banned in a correct technical sense which seems to be the case for Shelby H as well.

The quote that most caught my attention from CAS was this one, which I actually highlighted on the page.

So I think I've been very intellectually honest on this. That being said, I don't think you can jump to the following conclusion like the OP.

Yes, the court says there is no evidence of it but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Or did happen. I mean there is no evidence that FloJo doped either.

The reality is this. Salazar travelled with androgel. He gave the masseuse night off. And we know for a fact Rupp was on some sort of testosterone medication in HS.

This picture goes a LONG way to create doubt.

"Presently on prednisone and testosterone medication."

Question:

Who has had more athletes test positive for PED's?

1. Bowerman Track Club

2. NOP

Just curious.....