Such a depraved mind is incapable of rehabilitation. People like this woman is why we have prisons and why we used to have public gallows where criminals were hung by the neck until they were dead, may God have mercy on their souls.
Such a depraved mind is incapable of rehabilitation. People like this woman is why we have prisons and why we used to have public gallows where criminals were hung by the neck until they were dead, may God have mercy on their souls.
Smoove wrote:
What an awful situation and what a dumb kid.
I’ll give her parents credit for doing the right thing and making their kid face the music for her horrible decisions.
She better serve some big time, unfortunately she probably won't. At age 15 you know that running someone over at 50mph is probably going to kill them. She ended that man's life, he had a good 30 years left he could have lived, and her relatives will go without him. She better be locked up in some manner for at least a couple decades. But she'll probably be completely free within a few years.
Look, I’m not saying that these parents are perfect. How a 15 year old managed to sneak out of the house and use a car without permission at 6:30 in the morning raises plenty of questions.
But parents rent perfect.
And kids are usually even less perfect. It’s well documented scientifically that adolescent brains aren’t fully developed and adolescents are more inclined to engage in risky behavior as a result. We have long recognized this, even before we had the science on brain chemistry to back this up. That’s why people under a certain age have been treated differently under our legal system since before that system was imported here from Europe.
The bigger point is that these parents were placed in a position of either having their child deal with the consequences of their poor decision making or trying to evade responsibility. When faced with that choice, they chose the route of decency that so many parents avoid (see the affluenza kid who was of age, for example).
Maybe that seems like an award for doing what someone is already obligated to do, but with every shifting norms, I’m glad to see parents making the right decision.
"Prosecutors say".
Parenting101 wrote:
Smoove wrote:
I’ll give her parents credit for doing the right thing and making their kid face the music for her horrible decisions.
You think this child began making poor decision's accidentally? The father should be arrested a long with the child, There should be a law that the parents of a child convicted of a crime should SHARE the sentence. Maybe that will force people to properly parent their kids.
Half of the country would be in prison then.
malmo wrote:
Which brings up the question, have any of you had a similar close calls?
Maybe. I was running far off the shoulder on a 2 lane blacktop facing traffic at about 10:00 a.m. An older pickup is about 100 feet in front of me coming toward me at about 50-55 mph. It swerved across the fog line and toward the edge of the paved portion of the road. I quickly moved onto the grassy shoulder toward a fence about 15' off the road. I see the grin on the a******s face when he slowly 'corrected' his path to get fully back on the road. Scared me a bit but I don't know if it was on purpose. His grin made me think it was. I got a partial plate and reported it to a County cop. Never heard anything about it.
Smoove wrote:
Look, I’m not saying that these parents are perfect. How a 15 year old managed to sneak out of the house and use a car without permission at 6:30 in the morning raises plenty of questions.
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I agree with you about what you said about the development of the adolescent mind, but to this first paragraph. Kids sneaking out to drive the family car without permission happens thousands of times every day. Usually its the child who ends up dead.
As an experienced road runner, I can say you can avoid some of that by spitting on the road frequently.
Surprisingly people don't like to drive over your spit.
malmo wrote:
Which brings up the question, have any of you had a similar close calls?
Yeah, it happens about once per year, and thankfully I have plenty of low-traffic neighborhood streets to run on where there are no sidewalks. However, you get the occasional dink that tries to make you hop over the curb onto the terrace. Most egregious one was a guy swerved at my group and slammed on his brakes right in front of us. I elbowed his passenger mirror. Otherwise, it's a fist to the quarter panel- gives them something to think about.
malmo wrote:
Smoove wrote:
Look, I’m not saying that these parents are perfect. How a 15 year old managed to sneak out of the house and use a car without permission at 6:30 in the morning raises plenty of questions.
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I agree with you about what you said about the development of the adolescent mind, but to this first paragraph. Kids sneaking out to drive the family car without permission happens thousands of times every day. Usually its the child who ends up dead.
Agree. I remember being about that age when a friend "borrowed" his sister's car and we went over 120 mph in it. It was idiotic, and in line with other idiocy in which we engaged (climbing from a balcony to a bedroom window in my friend's 8th floor apartment, for example).
I think that it being pulled off at 6:00 am (ish) adds a nuance to the whole thing, and I was also mostly offering an olive branch in acknowledging that the parents may not have been perfect.
Not as serious, but had a couple people throw full water bottles out of cars as a kid (trying to hit us because of our shorts I guess). It hurt, but could've been a concussion if they'd had better aim.
I also had a runner friend get clipped by a pickup truck's mirror, and the guy said "What, are you gonna cry?" before speeding off.
I would agree with you, if that is what happened. This was on the news since they found his body (July 18th). They had video of the him jogging and the two cars (both driven by teens) speeding down the road. The police already had the car/plate. The family member (not parents) who owned the car told police who had been driving the car (along with the BS story she told the family member about how the car had been damaged). There was then a warrant out for the 15 year old. The King County Sheriff's office had first posted a picture of the 'car of interest" (which they seized in early September) then posted about the "15 year old suspect" (Sept 8th) and finally on September 10th the girl surrendered herself.
Her family knew about the damaged car for almost 2 months before she was forced to surrender after the police were looking for her.
Ho Hum wrote:
Not as serious, but had a couple people throw full water bottles out of cars as a kid (trying to hit us because of our shorts I guess). It hurt, but could've been a concussion if they'd had better aim.
I also had a runner friend get clipped by a pickup truck's mirror, and the guy said "What, are you gonna cry?" before speeding off.
I've had one incident. Had a beer bottle thrown at me which grazed off my shoulder. No damage to me, and surprisingly, the beer bottle survived as well, spinning around on asphalt shoulder.
Only when I got home did I think that i was only inches away from serious injury or even death.
Always run against traffic.
It says the back of calves were consistent with bumper hitting them. Always give yourself the chance to jump out of the way.
Smoove wrote:
Look, I’m not saying that these parents are perfect. How a 15 year old managed to sneak out of the house and use a car without permission at 6:30 in the morning raises plenty of questions.
This literally happens all. the. time. in America.
Ho Hum wrote:
Not as serious, but had a couple people throw full water bottles out of cars as a kid (trying to hit us because of our shorts I guess). It hurt, but could've been a concussion if they'd had better aim.
I also had a runner friend get clipped by a pickup truck's mirror, and the guy said "What, are you gonna cry?" before speeding off.
There is a distinct subset of people who definitely get "triggered" when they see runners on the road. Usually, they are redneck , faux macho types who have a tough time getting off the couch to grab a beer. We remind them of everything they are unable to do and can't deal with it.
This is a fair critique.
Unfortunately it's plausible she swerved across a lane of traffic to target the man. Hard to stop a car with an intent to kill.
I am not saying this applies to this particular case as it took the parents two months to step forward and only when the girl was identified. But sometimes good, solid parents end up with awful kids.
in high school i ran a fair amount on two lane country roads with a speed limit of 55. always against traffic. sometimes it would be a little harrowing if people didn't see me or as.sholes wanted to swerve a little to have some fun. looking back i would probably not do that as much knowing more about how dumb people are and stories like this. like another person said killing a person is basically a slap on the wrist in this country as long as you were behind the wheel. it's utter bullsh!t.