BCR: Ian Butler starts his workout at 4:45 am before his day job starts at 7 am

penn wrote:

Does Ian have asbergers? I get the vide from the video

IYKYK

hoowie wrote:

Breakfast In Bed wrote:

Guys, sure, he's a teacher and not a literal blue collar worker. But unless you're trolling or lack a few essential synapses in your brain, you should be able to get the point.

Yes we are trolling you dunce. Nobody cares about some no name 2:09 marathoner anymore in the age of super shoes.

EXACLTY.

A blue collar runner is someone who runs AND works a blue collar job.

A blue collar runner IS NOT someone who runs and works any job.

If that was the case, then is Martin hehir a blue collar runner? No doubt training to be a doctor is quite difficult.

The answer is NO because a doctor is not a blue collar job

I thought law and order wrote:

If that was the case, then is Martin hehir a blue collar runner? No doubt training to be a doctor is quite difficult.

Well yes, quite naturally. A blue collar runner has always essentially been one who turns in notably elite performances while working full-time at something else. In another time, those athletes literally had blue collar jobs. Times change, however, and we're now in an age when top performances, as a rule, come from athletes living off of endorsement sponsorships rather than family wealth or a benevolent patron. So the performances in that realm coming from anyone who works a full-time day job are now the exception as the ostensibly more difficult task.

You do know that language can be figurative and fit to common usage, yes?

By the way, where is Joe Whelan now?

Gentleman Savage wrote:

I thought law and order wrote:

If that was the case, then is Martin hehir a blue collar runner? No doubt training to be a doctor is quite difficult.

Well yes, quite naturally. A blue collar runner has always essentially been one who turns in notably elite performances while working full-time at something else. In another time, those athletes literally had blue collar jobs. Times change, however, and we're now in an age when top performances, as a rule, come from athletes living off of endorsement sponsorships rather than family wealth or a benevolent patron. So the performances in that realm coming from anyone who works a full-time day job are now the exception as the ostensibly more difficult task.

You do know that language can be figurative and fit to common usage, yes?

By the way, where is Joe Whelan now?

Still training but in Western NY now. I believe he is running the NYC Marathon this fall (though last I heard he did NOT get selected for the elite field).

Gentleman Savage wrote:

I thought law and order wrote:

If that was the case, then is Martin hehir a blue collar runner? No doubt training to be a doctor is quite difficult.

Well yes, quite naturally. A blue collar runner has always essentially been one who turns in notably elite performances while working full-time at something else. In another time, those athletes literally had blue collar jobs. Times change, however, and we're now in an age when top performances, as a rule, come from athletes living off of endorsement sponsorships rather than family wealth or a benevolent patron. So the performances in that realm coming from anyone who works a full-time day job are now the exception as the ostensibly more difficult task.

You do know that language can be figurative and fit to common usage, yes?

By the way, where is Joe Whelan now?

Okay so if im a corporate lawyer and a runner, then I’m a blue collar runner.

Cool!

I thought law and order wrote:

Gentleman Savage wrote:

Well yes, quite naturally. A blue collar runner has always essentially been one who turns in notably elite performances while working full-time at something else. In another time, those athletes literally had blue collar jobs. Times change, however, and we're now in an age when top performances, as a rule, come from athletes living off of endorsement sponsorships rather than family wealth or a benevolent patron. So the performances in that realm coming from anyone who works a full-time day job are now the exception as the ostensibly more difficult task.

You do know that language can be figurative and fit to common usage, yes?

By the way, where is Joe Whelan now?

Okay so if im a corporate lawyer and a runner, then I’m a blue collar runner.

Cool!

I have no quibble with that. Shorter was an attorney. Rodgers worked in a hospital and then in a school. Pre tended bar. Zatopek was a military officer. You also running international class times? Cool.

Gentleman Savage wrote:

I thought law and order wrote:

Okay so if im a corporate lawyer and a runner, then I’m a blue collar runner.

Cool!

I have no quibble with that. Shorter was an attorney. Rodgers worked in a hospital and then in a school. Pre tended bar. Zatopek was a military officer. You also running international class times? Cool.

Very well

So what. I run at 4 am before working at 6. You just adjust your sleep schedule. You can train at 2 am if you like.

When did Shorter practice law?

early guy wrote:

So what. I run at 4 am before working at 6. You just adjust your sleep schedule. You can train at 2 am if you like.

agreed, my entire club does the same thing lol who cares if some semipro is doing it too

So are you bragging for him because he broke AF?

Not so sure wrote:

When did Shorter practice law?

Re: Frank Shorter. He never practiced law and he never became a lawyer. People are getting confused with the lexicon. The deal is he got a law degree from the University of Florida (after his bachelors degree from Yale university ) but he never took or passed the bar exam. If I’m mistaken on this I stand corrected but this is what I gather from past information about him.

After getting his degree from the University of Florida in law, Shorter went into sports clothing manufacturing with Frank Shorter sports clothing. This had a certain amount of success but nothing like the bill Rodgers sporting goods.

That's what I recall about Shorter as well. In his prime he was a law student or a running bum. Where he got his money was never clear, I'd bet he got a lot of it from race promoters, then eventually opened his shop as his running was a wee bit past its prime.

More conflicting sources:

Liam Adams (24th in Tokyo) is a blue collar runner.

Full time electrician.

Blue Collar Running wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT2HxXOYNUI

Works at a real job rather than working at a running store or living off a cush trust fund, doesn't live in a Boulder flophouse with five roomies, doesn't tool around in a Tesla or Range Rover, doesn't post selfies from Mags, doesn't complain on SM about not having a better sponsorship, just gets up in the dark and does the damn work. It's fitting that he's the face of Steve Jones's group, runs counter to all the glam Strava workout heroes in that town. Hope he goes beast mode on all the tools in Chicago.

This didn’t age well 🤡

He ran 2:20 and finished 17th in warm humid conditions. Was he supposed to do better?

Stand aside, amateurs. The Colorado Supreme Court is the authoritative source, and it shows that Shorter was admitted to the Colorado bar in in 1975, and later gave up his license.