Heard that Allie O is leaving The Beasts.

She will have a career similar to Sara Hall's, if she can get the ED treated effectively. Hall's steeple work and track focus earlier in her career likely helped her road speed later on.

LRC for sure wrote:

You can only expect abject negativity from Letsrun. Goes with the territory, and this thread is emblematic. The problem is not with AllieO, Danny Mackie, or any others mentioned here. The problem lies with YOU trolls, and with the brojos for allowing and perpetuating the vitriol.

That said, and have thought this for years, Allie's future lies in the mid-range roads and trails. Like Grayson Murphy. Going forward it's going to take sub 9:18 or even sub 9:15 to make teams in the steeple, and Allie will probably top out in the mid-low 9:20s.

Agree with all your points here 1000%. The only problem I think is to Allie, at least at this point in her career, giving up the track events and becoming a full time trail racer ala Murphy would probably feel a lot like giving up to her. And I dont know if shes ready to do that yet. Maybe when she gets older. These series of injuries that shes been dealing with here lately are endemic of the years of unchecked ED life style that have changed her body over time. They were all probably already in the pipeline and she may have more to come before she can turn that corner. She needs to understand that and accept that and be ok with the fact that bottoming out will take some time but eventually she can emerge as Seidel did with time, hard work and some luck.

By the way, Murphy is a bit of a special case since she didnt actually start running until she was a sophomore in college! I still find that amazing considering how good she got.

This is a job for Dathan. I am now convinced he can do anything. Allie would do well to give it a shot with ON, but she needs to get healthy all the way first. She also has a personality which could drive social media presence which could surpass Hasay.

She needs to get away from the athletes special (not even close to special) he will take her down. The guy is a clown, she needs to be around a serious running group.

Haven't heard Allie news. But have heard things about Spencer

She’s not good enough to be world class. She should retire now as the stress of trying to be a pro athlete is clearly destructive for her.

Get healthy, move on to new things in life.

not so special. wrote:

She needs to get away from the athletes special (not even close to special) he will take her down. The guy is a clown, she needs to be around a serious running group.

I think this is partially true, but she's just as bad. You watch their videos and it's embarrassing they are as old as they are and still acting like they are in junior high. I mean, those videos would be cute and endearing if they were 13, but they are not. And their lack of maturity feeds off each other, they both just act like children, and I suppose that's a comfortable place to be for them, I mean, who wants to be an adult, so they can be children together. But, eventually she needs to grow up which would help her running and her health. If she doesn't, I imagine the sponsorships will come to an end and then reality will force her to grow up. Having to work a real full time job helps a person realize they aren't a kid anymore.

She's a volunteer coach or something, isn't she?

1 - Allie Buchalski ran big PR's in the 1500 & 5k this year, and placed 5th in the Olympic Trials

2-Nia Akins ran 2:00 so many times I would need to look it up, won a hand full of races and made the Olympic Trials Final in the 800

3-Marta Penn - Made the Olympic Semi's and ran 4:04.0

4- Karisa Nelson ran PR's in the 1500 & Mile

5- Allie Ostrander - had that YouTube video come out where Mackey was coaching her while she was receiving InPatient care, she made the Olympic Trials Final and ran a PR

There are only 5 women on the team. These are very good outcomes.

If Allie Ostrander leaves the Beasts/Mackey, it makes sense for her health because Eating Disorders are serious. But as another poster said, she should be retiring, not reaching out to other groups.

Peter Pan Syndrome. It's remarkably common in "pro running" circles and can become a vicious cycle of culture within certain groups, see Boulder for example. Eating disorders are a symptom. You really only saw it first-person a decade or more ago because of the steep difficulty to self-promoting before SM. Top performers actually take a mature approach as early as possible, lifestyle inevitably pulls down the talented yet uncommitted.

Space Needle wrote:

I was told that Danny doesn’t have time for his athletes. Allie is not the only one wanting out. Nia will be out over the next year as well.

Do these athletes need their hands held every day of the week? You get a training plan, and you do the training. That's it. How does that take up so much time?

How much time is needed? wrote:

Space Needle wrote:

I was told that Danny doesn’t have time for his athletes. Allie is not the only one wanting out. Nia will be out over the next year as well.

Do these athletes need their hands held every day of the week? You get a training plan, and you do the training. That's it. How does that take up so much time?

It takes time to film making coffee and oatmeal from various angles, then finding free music for it, and condensing the footage into 1:17.2

How much time is needed? wrote:

Space Needle wrote:

I was told that Danny doesn’t have time for his athletes. Allie is not the only one wanting out. Nia will be out over the next year as well.

Do these athletes need their hands held every day of the week? You get a training plan, and you do the training. That's it. How does that take up so much time?

You obviously have no experience with serious competitive running. The difference between a great coach and just a coach is not the training plans, which are largely variations on the same theme these days. It is the great coach's ability to work with the athlete to get the most out of them in executing the training plan that makes a difference. A great coach knows when to push the athlete, when to hold the athlete back, when to encourage the athlete, and when to tell the athlete he or she needs to do something differently.

FFF wrote:

She's a volunteer coach or something, isn't she?

At Seattle Pacific

LRC for sure wrote:

That said, and have thought this for years, Allie's future lies in the mid-range roads and trails. Like Grayson Murphy. Going forward it's going to take sub 9:18 or even sub 9:15 to make teams in the steeple, and Allie will probably top out in the mid-low 9:20s.

This is the best point. You have to be able to recognize the trends. Women's steeplechase has been an underachieving event for years. But it's starting to emerge on the other end, meaning that every level will shift at least one notch upward. That would have been obvious already if Falland hadn't clipped the barrier with two laps remaining at trials. Yesterday in Diamond League finals they ran a dawdling 3:07 in the middle kilometer yet still finished in 9:07. Previously a middle number like that would have equated to at least 9:10 if not 9:15.

Allie has no margin for error at 5 foot 1 in this event. It is simply the wrong event if she seeks international success. Going over all those barriers is too much cumulative strain at 5-1 compared to someone like Frerichs at 5-7.

Spare me the outlier examples of short East Africans in this event. Outliers don't win arguments, they lose arguments. Jeruto is not much taller but that is a different caliber of springy natural athlete.

WinnytheBish wrote:

Parler Stinson wrote:

She has a self-sabotaging condition. I'm sure Mackey did nothing wrong. If she can score her own sponsorship, stay with Brooks or sign with Saucony or Puma, she'd probably be a perfect fit for Team Boss.

Please list every instance of her self-sabotaging. This is simply not true. How is she a perfect fit for Boss too? Where are you coming up with this stuff. If I had to guess I'd say On or maybe a "female-oreiented" group like Molly Seidel's.

The eating disorder and every injury that has resulted from it

I'm a huge Allie O. fan and hope she gets it figured out but until she gets past the condition, and I mean stable recovery since she will always have it, she will never be healthy long enough to reach her potential.

I'm a huge Allie fan, and I agree she would excel if she went the Grayson Murphy route. Definitely rooting for her!