Full Shelby Houlihan Report is Out from CAS

I am offally boared.

rojo wrote:

I'm only halfway through it. I got to admit the fact that she refused to wear the carbon shoes really makes me believe she is much m ore likely to be guilty than if she did wear them.

It logically makes zero sense that you'd dope with drugs but not wear the shoes. Unless it's a super elaborate humble-brag type of coverrup. Yes I know this type of stories shouldn't impact the evidence but I'm just telling you my thoughts.

Why in the hell if you are looking to cut corners wouldn't you wear the Carbon Plates?

Again, I'm only halfway through it but it looks like she had a former lab employee testify on her behalf.

So in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence of what was in her urine sample you're considering what kind of shoes she wore as exculpatory evidence?

rojo wrote:

I'm only halfway through it. I got to admit the fact that she refused to wear the carbon shoes really makes me believe she is much m ore likely to be guilty than if she did wear them.

It logically makes zero sense that you'd dope with drugs but not wear the shoes. Unless it's a super elaborate humble-brag type of coverrup. Yes I know this type of stories shouldn't impact the evidence but I'm just telling you my thoughts.

Your 2nd paragraph contradicts your 1st. I can't say that this is a surprise, though.

The plot thickens!!

Perch wrote:

rojo wrote:

I'm only halfway through it. I got to admit the fact that she refused to wear the carbon shoes really makes me believe she is much m ore likely to be guilty than if she did wear them.

It logically makes zero sense that you'd dope with drugs but not wear the shoes. Unless it's a super elaborate humble-brag type of coverrup. Yes I know this type of stories shouldn't impact the evidence but I'm just telling you my thoughts.

Why in the hell if you are looking to cut corners wouldn't you wear the Carbon Plates?

Again, I'm only halfway through it but it looks like she had a former lab employee testify on her behalf.

So in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence of what was in her urine sample you're considering what kind of shoes she wore as exculpatory evidence?

Surely you know by now that rojo does not understand science.

Maybe "m ore" means less, not more.

casual obsever wrote:

Maybe "m ore" means less, not more.

Lol

hopping on this train wrote:

This is pretty damning:

"The concentration of 19-NA measured at 7.8 ng/mL in the B-Sample (and

estimated at 6.9 ng/mL from the initial testing procedure of the A-Sample) is

not consistent with the ingestion of uncastrated pig meat, more than twice

exceeding the highest amount reported in literature following the ingestion of

much larger amounts of meat. "

The whole thing is ridiculous. She ate carne asada with a side of 19 nandrolone injection.

America's fury wrote:

They keep throwing the term "authentic" around. What exactly do they mean by that?

Not only do they cheat but they racist too.

I like that on the front page is a picture of Shelby beating Muir and Hassan in a race. Pic is pretty much incriminating enough alone.

heyiooooobuddy wrote:

that is extremely embarrassing. if this were an Ethiopian or Kenyan athlete we would not be giving even 1/10 the grace we have given Houlihan.

Do you think there will be a running clock (ala Salazar) on the homepage while we wait for Jerry to respond?

contract schmontract wrote:

If you're Frerichs, though, and clean, WHY would she not think the fact that she ate the same thing but did NOT test positive was evidence that her teammate was doing something shady that she wasn't doing??? I get that Frerichs wasn't on the same testing schedule but seriously.

What are everyone's thoughts on Frerichs and the rest of BTC? Was Shelby doping on her own or was it systematic doping?

Nice catch.

And, great humor from the brojos.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Really? Who had similar test results to Shelby's that got off the hook? .

Ajee Wilson claimed tainted meat and had her suspension overturned.

short attention span wrote:

I am offally boared.

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I'm sorry but there is no way anyone who has had carne asada before would get a burrito filled with pork offal (especially the high testosterone parts like heart, kidneys or liver) and just plow through it without taking it back to the taco truck and saying "what the hell did you give me?" Buche (pork stomach) has a weird flavor and texture that is nothing like red meat. The color is very light even when grilled. And Buche is rarely just the stomach muscle. It is almost always the digestive tract as that all comes out together when the pig is butchered. It doesn't matter how much salsa you dump over it. If you never had Buche before and were expecting grilled beef, you would not get two bites into a burrito filled with Buche before you took it back and asked for the right order.

I understand what he’s saying.

I think she’s guilty of more than eating a burrito. I can’t make assumptions about her teammates. It’s not that hard to hide things far worse than doping even from people in your inner circle.

How many people have extensive love affairs without their significant other having any idea?

I think he's saying that she appeared to take a principled stand against shoes that could benefit her performance, but that many saw as against the spirit of the sport. Thus, it's strange that someone who compromised performance to uphold the integrity of sport would be simultaneously be doping, which is a much clearer violation of integrity.

I think it's a good point. Though it could also have been a way for her to justify what she was doing (well at least I'm not using these cheater shoes! And besides, everyone is doping.). The hair sample is the other thing that leaves me in doubt. If this weren't chronic dosing, I don't see the benefit. So it leaves the door open in my opinion.

All that said, the evidence is pretty stacked against her otherwise. I think it's clear she didn't test positive from the burrito. Either it entered her body some other way without her knowledge or she's a cheater.