What do you think Daniel Komens PRs could have been if he were raised in the ingrebrigsten family the same way as Jakob?
What do you think Daniel Komens PRs could have been if he were raised in the ingrebrigsten family the same way as Jakob?
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john b wrote:
What do you think Daniel Komens PRs could have been if he were raised in the ingrebrigsten family the same way as Jakob?
The biggest decider would be the full gas doping.
Even if you suspect Jakob and family, you still have to accept that he's not able to go completely to the eyeballs without risk or restriction like Komen and friends were back in the day.
So, raised as an Ingebrigsten, Komen would be slower.
Probably 1-2 standard deviations faster
trollism wrote:
john b wrote:
What do you think Daniel Komens PRs could have been if he were raised in the ingrebrigsten family the same way as Jakob?
The biggest decider would be the full gas doping.
Even if you suspect Jakob and family, you still have to accept that he's not able to go completely to the eyeballs without risk or restriction like Komen and friends were back in the day.
So, raised as an Ingebrigsten, Komen would be slower.
^^^Word(s).
Exact same but would peak earlier in his career.
7:10-7:14
Super shoes
5 years+ dedicated training more than he did
Better diet, sports science
He'd most likely get better juice than he got in his day. 7:15, 12:25. Better question, what would he look like with the hipster mustache that he's be required to grow?
Better juice wrote:
He'd most likely get better juice than he got in his day. 7:15, 12:25. Better question, what would he look like with the hipster mustache that he's be required to grow?
He would have actually been slower. After growing his mustache, he would meet and become best friends with Craig Engels, and they would both retire early to travel the US in the world's most expensive RV.
Daniel Komen 3000 WR stood for so long only because the 3000m is not an official T&F distance.
With or without the EPO?
It still stands, does it not?
Jakob is doping. Period.
trollism wrote:
john b wrote:
What do you think Daniel Komens PRs could have been if he were raised in the ingrebrigsten family the same way as Jakob?
The biggest decider would be the full gas doping.
Even if you suspect Jakob and family, you still have to accept that he's not able to go completely to the eyeballs without risk or restriction like Komen and friends were back in the day.
So, raised as an Ingebrigsten, Komen would be slower.
+1
If the Ingebrigtsens are taking anything, then it's certainly less than 1/100th of what Komen was on.
My guess would be 7:45/13:40.
A more interesting question would be what would Jakob's current pbs be at 20 if he had been full throttle EPO doping, taking roids, hgh etc like El G, Komen, Lagat, Ngeny, Morceli?
Maybe close to 3:20/7:15/12:15
How is Daniel 'no concept of time' Komen faring in his current trial on multiple counts of financial fraud, btw.?
Testing for EPO those days was very weak, it didn't matter if he would have been raised by Bill Gates because he was dosing the maxable limit with EPO threshold before the blood would clot severely. Taking probably 800 mg aspirin for weeks at a time or warfarin.
Not saying Ing. isn't on EPO because it's not possible to run these times without it, but he has to be more cautious.
After years in the athletics focus, the majority of the letsrun posters still can't write the name Ingebrigtsen correctly. Says a lot about this place.
He'd be significantly slower. Lance Armstrong used to say the drugs were worth 10%. You might think this makes his 7:20 an 8:04 but remember that he would have access to better training and better shoes, so I'd put him comfortably sub-8, around the 7:45-50 mark.
Komen would not have had the need to run himself out of poverty and would be one of the brothers that quit early. Talented but lazy.
trollism wrote:
john b wrote:
What do you think Daniel Komens PRs could have been if he were raised in the ingrebrigsten family the same way as Jakob?
The biggest decider would be the full gas doping.
Even if you suspect Jakob and family, you still have to accept that he's not able to go completely to the eyeballs without risk or restriction like Komen and friends were back in the day.
So, raised as an Ingebrigsten, Komen would be slower.
But, he could start doping at age 11 like Jakob.
hahahha nope wrote:
trollism wrote:
The biggest decider would be the full gas doping.
Even if you suspect Jakob and family, you still have to accept that he's not able to go completely to the eyeballs without risk or restriction like Komen and friends were back in the day.
So, raised as an Ingebrigsten, Komen would be slower.
But, he could start doping at age 11 like Jakob.
Innocent until proven guilty. So easy to make accusations on a public forum in anonymity