"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Yawn^9 wrote:

Keep peddling that excess death nonsense. No one buys it.

For someone who claims to be mr. science you don’t seem to grasp the very probable fact that the 650k number is inflated and that correlation does not equal causation.

You really have no ground to stand on.

This is, of course, wrong.

Excess deaths correlate exclusively with COVID positive and hospitalizations. Not with 'lockdowns' or other mitigation measures.

There's no other plausible explanation at this point.

I understand if this were 12 months ago and you were skeptical but come on... this many deaths and this many waves all exactly matched cases -> hospitalizations -> deaths -> excess deaths.

Not EVERY excess death is COVID coded, yes, but it's at least 90%. Do you accept 585k?

Just telling me " i have no ground to stand on" despite excess deaths figures being validated across the whole USA and much of the Western world suggests you must have some great evidence in waiting?

Uh, OK, so.. your only answer to my argument is "I'm wrong."

Compelling....

Yawn^9 wrote:

bbn wrote:

You can tell people to get vaccinated until you're blue in the face, but that's the main reason no one will listen.

You're nothing more than a salesman for a corrupt company. If you became a salesman for a reputable company, some people would probably buy what you're selling.

This is what the left never understood. The more you try force, the more resistance you will face.

If they had calmly just said “hey everyone, we have a vaccine, it is not fully approved but we recommend you take it and tests look good so far” we would be well past all this bull.

But the left only has the hive mind to go off of

That's literally what happened through about May when hesitancy started to lower vaccination rates. You guys are spinning this tale that is just comically wrong.

P.S. How childish is the argument "don't tell me what to do!! I'm going to do the opposite because I don't like being told what to do!!"

Like a 6 year old learning about authority and rules.

Well that’s reality for you chief. Some people think differently then you. Sorry that we all don’t just bend over when the government says to.

It’s like you skipped 9th grade stats class.

And no, I don’t believe even 50% of Covid deaths should actually be counted in that total.

Yawn^9 wrote:

Well that’s reality for you chief. Some people think differently then you. Sorry that we all don’t just bend over when the government says to.

"I am ignoring all the science and evidence that the vaccines are highly worthwhile because... I want to feel like I'm challenging authority."

Being contrarian for the sake of it cute when you're a 12 year old boy. Using it as an excuse for ignorance is just sad. I feel only pity for this kind of idiocy.

Harambe wrote:

That's literally what happened through about May when hesitancy started to lower vaccination rates. You guys are spinning this tale that is just comically wrong.

P.S. How childish is the argument "don't tell me what to do!! I'm going to do the opposite because I don't like being told what to do!!"

Like a 6 year old learning about authority and rules.

More like a 6 year old (you) telling an adult (me) to let a ret@rded 6 year old (the government) stick a needle in my arm.

Yawn^9 wrote:

Harambe wrote:

This is, of course, wrong.

Excess deaths correlate exclusively with COVID positive and hospitalizations. Not with 'lockdowns' or other mitigation measures.

There's no other plausible explanation at this point.

I understand if this were 12 months ago and you were skeptical but come on... this many deaths and this many waves all exactly matched cases -> hospitalizations -> deaths -> excess deaths.

Not EVERY excess death is COVID coded, yes, but it's at least 90%. Do you accept 585k?

Just telling me " i have no ground to stand on" despite excess deaths figures being validated across the whole USA and much of the Western world suggests you must have some great evidence in waiting?

It’s like you skipped 9th grade stats class.

And no, I don’t believe even 50% of Covid deaths should actually be counted in that total.

Why do you believe that? We've hashed this out dozens of times on these boards. I get you're just trolling, but I'd at least pick something remotely defensible. There's not a single example of excess deaths not tracking closely with COVID positives and hospitalizations and COVID coded deaths. What else could be driving it? Eagerly awaiting your bombshell analysis. Sounds like you've got an explanation for... 325k deaths at least!

bbn wrote:

Harambe wrote:

That's literally what happened through about May when hesitancy started to lower vaccination rates. You guys are spinning this tale that is just comically wrong.

P.S. How childish is the argument "don't tell me what to do!! I'm going to do the opposite because I don't like being told what to do!!"

Like a 6 year old learning about authority and rules.

More like a 6 year old (you) telling an adult (me) to let a ret@rded 6 year old (the government) stick a needle in my arm.

I get that a 4 page NJEM article is a non-starter for you. There are plenty of experts from all political persuasions who have broken down the vaccine safety and efficacy. Why not educate yourself? There's an opportunity here to learn and grow. Or you can grumble and insult on a Fridy night. Ah well, you hate to see such anger and general madposting but it's typical among the deniers.

Harambe wrote:

Yawn^9 wrote:

Well that’s reality for you chief. Some people think differently then you. Sorry that we all don’t just bend over when the government says to.

"I am ignoring all the science and evidence that the vaccines are highly worthwhile because... I want to feel like I'm challenging authority."

Being contrarian for the sake of it cute when you're a 12 year old boy. Using it as an excuse for ignorance is just sad. I feel only pity for this kind of idiocy.

This is why my yawn is exponentially huge. You just don’t get it. You cannot wrap your head around the fact that others don’t agree with you. The fact that some people out there don’t trust the bloated government and anonymous message board posters is literally incomprehensible to you.

You just assume “they are ignoring the science” when any science that contradicts you is ignored.

How tiresome.

Plus, maybe I’m getting my people here mixed up, but weren’t you the guy claiming to be libertarian? Any libertarian worth their salt views any government action with healthy skepticism.

Yawn^9 wrote:

This is why my yawn is exponentially huge. You just don’t get it. You cannot wrap your head around the fact that others don’t agree with you. The fact that some people out there don’t trust the bloated government and anonymous message board posters is literally incomprehensible to you.

You just assume “they are ignoring the science” when any science that contradicts you is ignored.

How tiresome.

Plus, maybe I’m getting my people here mixed up, but weren’t you the guy claiming to be libertarian? Any libertarian worth their salt views any government action with healthy skepticism.

That's why we have multiple clinical trials run by non-government (and independent from the pharma company) entities. I am skeptical! I generally believe well-run clinical trials. I also generally believe REAMS of real world data from multiple countries and many different entities. National public health depts, private companies, universities.

This is exactly my point. The evidence is so overwhelming and from so many sources, I find it hard to understand how people can ignore it for fringe conspiracies. But the contrarian-for-the-sake of it angle you pushed makes sense. It's not about being right -- it's about being different. A snowflake, if you will.

At this point we have countless 'replications' of the vaccine experiment across many countries, some gathering outstandingly complete day. They work. Very, very well.

We also have reams of data on the risks of COVID, even beyond death, and even to young people.

Plenty of people just dismiss these without any evidence to the contrary, but I won't let these be held to equivalence. There is lots, lots more data supporting the safety and efficacy of vaccines than there is against them. People can believe what they want but it reflects on their critical thinking which side they come down on.

This is just like the excess death stuff. Are there alternative explanations? Yes. Are the supported by data that is remotely comparable in strength to the mainline "COVID is bad" theory. Definitely not.

Careful assessment of evidence is more than a check box. Just because you can find evidence in support of your pet theory, doesn't mean that evidence begins to approach the rigor of the evidence supporting unappealing theories (i.e. you should get the vaccine, COVID is bad, etc). That's how science works.

Harambe wrote:

I get that a 4 page NJEM article is a non-starter for you. There are plenty of experts from all political persuasions who have broken down the vaccine safety and efficacy. Why not educate yourself? There's an opportunity here to learn and grow. Or you can grumble and insult on a Fridy night. Ah well, you hate to see such anger and general madposting but it's typical among the deniers.

I'm sorry that nobody will buy what you're trying to sell. It's not you though, it's just that you're trying to sell a poor product for a scumbag organization. If the government gave the average citizen a reason to trust them you wouldn't be such a failure at selling their product.

Everyday we get more and more conflicting evidence to add to your “reams” of data.

The vaccines work? Less and less it seems.

Over 90% of people going to the hospital now were already "vaccinated" (gene therapy).

The variants are being created inside the cells of the "vaccinated".

Www.Banned.Video

&

Www.NaturalNews.com

have plenty of evidence, plenty of doctors & scientists confirming this.

Yawn^9 wrote:

bbn wrote:

You can tell people to get vaccinated until you're blue in the face, but that's the main reason no one will listen.

You're nothing more than a salesman for a corrupt company. If you became a salesman for a reputable company, some people would probably buy what you're selling.

This is what the left never understood. The more you try force, the more resistance you will face.

If they had calmly just said “hey everyone, we have a vaccine, it is not fully approved but we recommend you take it and tests look good so far” we would be well past all this bull.

But the left only has the hive mind to go off of

If I understand you correctly, many on the right are not taking the vaccine because they don't like the way the left is telling them they have to take it?

Actually I believe there just might be some truth in this. But isn't that really sad, that the right is choosing behavior not in their best interest Just to be oppositional to those on the left whom they deem to be overbearing?

Their just might be a great deal of insight in your comment. Let that idea really sink in for a moment.

There

TruthSeeker777 wrote:

Over 90% of people going to the hospital now were already "vaccinated" (gene therapy).

The variants are being created inside the cells of the "vaccinated".

Www.Banned.Video

&

Www.NaturalNews.com

have plenty of evidence, plenty of doctors & scientists confirming this.

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Harambe wrote:

Raymond wrote:

Hey Harambe, you seem quite dismissive of experts quoted in this article along with data backing up what they say from around the world. Are you just a dumb sheep closed to anything but what CNN tells you?

Lots of real word data confirms that a large majority of both minor and severe cases are from unvaxxed people. This is data collected in real scientific studies. Not cobbled together on a conspiracy website. Care to share alternative analyses?

Here it is from the article - I've followed Israel'a data and know that it is correct. I assume the rest to be true ... Bahh bahhh

Aug.1, 2021, director of Israel’s Public Health Services, Dr. Sharon Alroy-Preis, announced half of all COVID-19 infections were among the fully vaccinated. Signs of more serious disease among fully vaccinated are also emerging, she said, particularly in those over the age of 60.

A few days later, Aug. 5, Dr. Kobi Haviv, director of the Herzog Hospital in Jerusalem, appeared on Channel 13 News, reporting that 95% of severely ill COVID-19 patients are fully vaccinated, and that they make up 85% to 90% of COVID-related hospitalizations overall. As of Aug. 2, 66.9% of Israelis had received at least one dose of Pfizer’s injection, which is used exclusively in Israel; 62.2% had received two doses.

In Scotland, official data on hospitalizations and deaths show 87% of those who have died from COVID-19 in the third wave that began in early July were vaccinated.

A CDC investigation of an outbreak in Barnstable County, Massachusetts, between July 6 through July 25, found 74% of those who received a diagnosis of COVID19, and 80% of hospitalizations, were among the fully vaccinated. Most, but not all, had the Delta variant of the virus.

The CDC also found that fully vaccinated individuals who contract the infection have as high a viral load in their nasal passages as unvaccinated individuals who get infected. This means the vaccinated are just as infectious as the unvaccinated.

In Gibraltar, which has a 99% COVID jab compliance rate, COVID cases have risen by 2,500% since June 1.

While those who benefit from keeping the pandemic going would like you to cower in fear at the thought of the Delta variant, there’s really no evidence that it’s any worse than the original. It’s more transmissible, yes, but far less dangerous, as its primary symptoms are that of a regular cold.