CU's Training Has Changed A Lot

POKE IT wrote:

Luv2Run wrote:

Athletic departments do not get the majority of their funding from taxpayers. Tuition for a foreign student is insanely high so the university makes money when one is signed.

Who owns the University of Colorado at Boulder?

Even a few minutes of Googling will educate you about how athletic departments are funded.

The State of Colorado owns it, buddy. Not the Feds nor "USA taxpayers" (the latter of which includes resident aliens, coincidentally). The State of Colorado, the University of Colorado Board of Regents, among many other responsible parties are perfectly fine with accepting and educating foreign students. And as duly enrolled students and full members of the student body, they should be welcome to compete for their school's varsity sports teams. All this has been that way for a while, probably well before you were born, Boomer.

Most coaches tend to struggle a bit with recruiting as they age. Not sure if it is desire, inability to connect, or just lack of energy. You see lots of good programs with 2-3 solid guys. A lot tougher to get 5 in the same year.

Then you're talking about Billy Nelson. Wetmore simply doesn't do recruiting, at least not since he became head coach. Culpepper, Found, and co were in-house when Wetmore arrived at CU. Jason Drake was lead recruiter with guys like Goucher, Slattery, Torres, Ritz. Jay Johnson followed and now Billy Nelson fills that role.

Luv2Run wrote:

POKE IT wrote:

Who owns the University of Colorado at Boulder?

Even a few minutes of Googling will educate you about how athletic departments are funded.

It's owned by the people of Colorado. It is a public institution and is not a for-profit enterprise. It exists to serve those people.

Luv2Run wrote:

POKE IT wrote:

Having Americans running for USA taxpayer owned and funded academic institutions is EXACTLY what he should be doing and exactly what all schools in the USA should be doing. That is frankly the best thing about Wetmore. Never change!!

Athletic departments do not get the majority of their funding from taxpayers. Tuition for a foreign student is insanely high so the university makes money when one is signed.

Most international student-athletes are probably on a full or close to full scholarship

The training in RWTB was pretty intense with the volume and quality days. Looks like Wetmore had a bigger roster back then too so he could afford to injure half the team to get 7 guys for NCAAs. If they were fully healthy in 98 they probably win.

I don't know the RWTB training, or the current CU training scheme, but I'm guessing both are a bit what Seth James Demoor does (stay with me here).

He seems to just "run" an awful lot, and does very little in the way of speedwork. Lydiard and all that.

That meshes what with I know about CU training in the 80s, anyway.

Runner10287 wrote:

Most international student-athletes are probably on a full or close to full scholarship

I have worked at a few colleges and universities. At a small liberal arts college they recruited foreign students aggressively. They typically come from very wealthy families and do not seek or require any financial aid. So, they come for full price and are typically very good students.

This sheds nothing on those on scholarship but I wonder if any foreign athletes come in without financial aid (athletic scholarship)?

Small liberal arts school. So everyone came from wealthy families. But ok thanks for the example.

bladerunner wrote:

You've got to be kidding. NAU recruits foreign nationals heavily and CU not at all. CU is a far better school than NAU and Boulder was just ranked the number 1 place to live in the entire country. If a kid has the grades, it's hard to imagine he/she would choose NAU over CU.

There are a lot of top recruits who ARE choosing NAU over CU, and I assume that at least some of them have good enough grades for CU. I think part of the draw of NAU is that the academics aren't a distraction from training and recovery. It might not be a great idea for a lot of those kids long term, but I can totally see how 17 and 18 year old boys like the idea of being 'all in' on running, at NAU, even if to an adult, there are a lot of factors that might make CU a better life choice.

Runner10287 wrote:

Small liberal arts school. So everyone came from wealthy families. But ok thanks for the example.

This university had 86% on some type of financial aid and 27% from poverty status who did not pay full price. They recruited Chicago hard. What you are inferring was status quo 20+ years ago. But with the job market, current higher education situation, and liberal arts a somewhat struggling notion, your thoughts are no longer completely accurate. The foreign kids were about 94% full tuition. Foreign families & students do not seek liberal arts exclusively so there may be spots for wealthy foreign athletes at most any university, including CU.

Post some examples of training, or else you’re blowing smoke.

Ok regarding the general student body on financial aid. But international students at a school like that probably are not coming over with athletics being the main focus. Does the school even offer scholarships for athletics? Assuming small means it’s D3 if it’s NCAA they don’t offer aid for sports specifically.

Runner10287 wrote:

Ok regarding the general student body on financial aid. But international students at a school like that probably are not coming over with athletics being the main focus. Does the school even offer scholarships for athletics? Assuming small means it’s D3 if it’s NCAA they don’t offer aid for sports specifically.

That's all correct.

The point I was trying to make is that many/most Americans have the notion that foreign students are all dirt poor and marginal students. This could not be farther from the truth in my experience.

CU, NAU, or anyone else can potentially get some foreign student athletes without using a full scholarship. And like some American kids they actually do not want to be tied to athletic aid to give them a little more freedom in doing what they think is the best experience. It's a lot easier have input on racing, training, etc. when you are not tied to athletic financial aid.

Others have alluded to this, but recruiting is why CU has slipped from dominant down to a very good sometimes-contender type program and lost a lot of ground to NAU. The NCAA is getting deeper.

Regardless of what people think Universities should be doing, Wetmore's is paid by UC Boulder to build the best possible teams he can, and not serve as an Colorado/American ODP program. NAU has proven you don't have to be chock full of foreign talent to win but they bring in talented foreign athletes when it is appropriate. It is crazy to think that Wetmore completely ignores the vast amount of talent around the world, in favor of going exclusively American, when he could very likely pick up the occasional truly elite athlete from Africa/Europe/Australia.

Coaches have to adapt. Coach K refused one and done players in basketball and from '04-10' Duke struggled t go deep in the tournament. When he realized he had to change his approach, Duke suddenly got better.

https://fansided.com/2016/11/08/big-east-basketball-2016-preview-predictions-picks/

wrong article:

https://fansided.com/2016/11/08/coach-k-duke-blue-devils-one-dones/

Sliding Scale wrote:

It is crazy to think that Wetmore completely ignores the vast amount of talent around the world, in favor of going exclusively American, when he could very likely pick up the occasional truly elite athlete from Africa/Europe/Australia.

I am somewhat new to this discussion. Are we sure Wetmore is ignoring foreign talent? If a talented foreign athlete calls and wants to attend CU, does Wetmore tell them to go away?

I do not have the first clue about CU's recruiting protocol. I do know that a few other high profile programs evolve to where they do not really recruit to the fullest extent. They wait for all but the very top handful of athletes to come knocking at their door.

Can someone provide specifics on this rather than just speculation?

I work at a big university so I’m well aware that many internationals are very well off. Some of the cats they drive.

However if a school isn’t recruiting foreign athletes unless they will be big contributors. Regardless of families finances if they are good enough to warrant a scholarship most will get as much as they can,