Luv2Run wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/13/asia/afghanistan-taliban-commandos-killed-intl-hnk/index.htmlhttps://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/civilian-deaths-taliban-attacks-rising-full-u-s-withdrawal-afghanistan-n1275262
For clarification those articles are dated and were written about the period of May and June when the civil war was still ongoing. They are not about the present transfer of power.
wazzu1452 wrote:
You’ll hear a lot of desperate lying & revisionism today from Biden & Co. So let’s be very clear: Biden *abandoned* the Trump peace plan & exit strategy (which included powerful deterrence). Biden foolishly devised his own plan & he crashed and burned. It’s a flaming Biden wreck.
Turns out putting a quasi-senile mediocrity at the top of the United States military chain of command was a really bad, inexcusable idea despite the ruling class’s hurt feelings about “orange man bad”
Its really funny to see ppl trynna gaslight others about how Biden took the Trump exit strategy and made it 100x better, then executed it perfectly. Especially when even the media recognizes that this was botched. (Probably bc they got some skin in the game here, they got fellow journalists who have been left to suffer the consequences)
wazzu1452 wrote:
Turns out putting a quasi-senile mediocrity at the top of the United States military chain of command was a really bad, inexcusable idea
Wait, what does Reagan have to do with this?
memo 618. wrote:
No Americans have died and there have been no reports of Taliban killing citizens during the take over. This could change after we are gone.
Many of the Taliban are actually Afghanistan and include women and children Non-Taliban Afghanistans decided they didn't care to fight for their country even though their military out numbered and out gunned the Taliban. (The Taliban had no air force)
The most dangerous thing was the panic by the Afghanistan people. Our US developed and propped up Afghan government was always just smoke and mirrors.
Our continued investment had to end. The government there never had any intention to follow through.
Trump was right to initiate this and Biden was right to actually do it. The longest war in American history will be over soon. As far as country take overs, this was more peaceful than normal. Actually since there was never a government fully supported by the Afghanistan people, was it really a take over?
+1, this is a great day for humanity. The Taliban will be imposing mandatory mask mandates for women and will impose the moral values of the religion of peace on Afghanistan. Afghanistan will see unprecedented progress now that the West is out. It will probably look somewhat like Wakanda in 20 years.
memo 618. wrote:
wazzu1452 wrote:
“The buck stops with me,” Biden declares, after blaming Trump, the Afghan government, the Afghan army and the Afghan people.
Biden purposely botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, gave Taliban the country, gave China a massive win by doing so, then blamed Afghan forces and President Trump. Oh, and then he hopped back on Marine One to get back to his “vacation.”
We are beyond clown world at this point.
He never blamed trump. He actually agreed with Trump that we needed to leave. He rightly blamed the Afghan leader and forces for running away so quickly. However their refusal to fight actually was good because it allowed a peaceful transfer of power.
Actually is was more peaceful than trump and his cult's attempt to over turn our election.
Almost as peaceful as the BLM riots of 2020.
OozmaKappa wrote:
wazzu1452 wrote:
You’ll hear a lot of desperate lying & revisionism today from Biden & Co. So let’s be very clear: Biden *abandoned* the Trump peace plan & exit strategy (which included powerful deterrence). Biden foolishly devised his own plan & he crashed and burned. It’s a flaming Biden wreck.
Turns out putting a quasi-senile mediocrity at the top of the United States military chain of command was a really bad, inexcusable idea despite the ruling class’s hurt feelings about “orange man bad”
Its really funny to see ppl trynna gaslight others about how Biden took the Trump exit strategy and made it 100x better, then executed it perfectly. Especially when even the media recognizes that this was botched. (Probably bc they got some skin in the game here, they got fellow journalists who have been left to suffer the consequences)
Interesting how suddenly you are fans of and believe the media. The fact that that USA supported Afghan government cut and run so fast is on them. If the Afghanistan people didn't have such a panic attack it would have been much more orderly.
No Americans have been killed and the only civilians killed were killed by other scared Afghanistan. This has not been a massacre or anything like that despite what the media and Biden haters want you to believe.
The real government that the Afghanistan people wanted took power.
Just because you have a distrust of someone or just because someone's political views are different from your own doesnt mean that you have to believe everything they say is wrong.
Only the sith deal in absolutes.
stick to the topic wrote:
wazzu1452 wrote:
Turns out putting a quasi-senile mediocrity at the top of the United States military chain of command was a really bad, inexcusable idea
Wait, what does Reagan have to do with this?
Can I give you a little history lesson?
America elected Reagan by giving him 45 States. 45!
4 years later...after seeing him perform in office....Reagan took 49 states out of 50
This was the first presidential election since 1948, and the most recent to date, in which a party won a third consecutive presidential term. This also remains the most recent election in which a candidate won over 400 electoral votes
Turns our when you vanquish the USSR and add 23 Million new jobs the economy the people like you.
Progressives: "But FDR handed out more free stuff" #losers
It's always funny seeing progressives treat Reagan and Thatcher as boogeymen.
OozmaKappa wrote:
Breakfast In Bed wrote:
You're telling me those videos of civilian corpses in the street in Kandahar and Kabul are fake?
Oh, come on. They haven't killed that many people. Come on, man. They're only systematically searching for everyone left in the area who worked for the system they just overthrew. They just wanna talk.
What is the number of people killed that needs to be reached before you consider it a problem?
memo 618. wrote:
Luv2Run wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/13/asia/afghanistan-taliban-commandos-killed-intl-hnk/index.htmlhttps://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/civilian-deaths-taliban-attacks-rising-full-u-s-withdrawal-afghanistan-n1275262For clarification those articles are dated and were written about the period of May and June when the civil war was still ongoing. They are not about the present transfer of power.
That is somewhat fair, but if they killed hundreds then do you think they are going to stop now that there is virtually no resistance?
Tens of thousands of Afghans worked for the ousted government or provided services the US. They are in serious danger now that there is no bulwark.
Also, deaths are not the only measure.
memo 618. wrote:
OozmaKappa wrote:
Its really funny to see ppl trynna gaslight others about how Biden took the Trump exit strategy and made it 100x better, then executed it perfectly. Especially when even the media recognizes that this was botched. (Probably bc they got some skin in the game here, they got fellow journalists who have been left to suffer the consequences)
Interesting how suddenly you are fans of and believe the media. The fact that that USA supported Afghan government cut and run so fast is on them. If the Afghanistan people didn't have such a panic attack it would have been much more orderly.
No Americans have been killed and the only civilians killed were killed by other scared Afghanistan. This has not been a massacre or anything like that despite what the media and Biden haters want you to believe.
The real government that the Afghanistan people wanted took power.
If this was the real government, then they should have run for office and been elected.
The taliban are actually commited to womens rights and will not prosecute anyone who worked for the occupation government. Thats more tolerant than most other western countries are. In australia or new zealand you would be imprisoned for driving to another province for example
LOL! LRC Trumpers in this thread are praising the Taliban and disparaging Americans.
Luv2Run wrote:
memo 618. wrote:
Interesting how suddenly you are fans of and believe the media. The fact that that USA supported Afghan government cut and run so fast is on them. If the Afghanistan people didn't have such a panic attack it would have been much more orderly.
No Americans have been killed and the only civilians killed were killed by other scared Afghanistan. This has not been a massacre or anything like that despite what the media and Biden haters want you to believe.
The real government that the Afghanistan people wanted took power.
If this was the real government, then they should have run for office and been elected.
Could the Taliban get nominated, did the Taliban not want to participate in the US developed government. Interesting thought you had though. I wonder what government the average Afghanistan wants or if they even care. They didn't seem to have any emotional investment in their current government.
Luv2Run wrote:
memo 618. wrote:
For clarification those articles are dated and were written about the period of May and June when the civil war was still ongoing. They are not about the present transfer of power.
That is somewhat fair, but if they killed hundreds then do you think they are going to stop now that there is virtually no resistance?
Tens of thousands of Afghans worked for the ousted government or provided services the US. They are in serious danger now that there is no bulwark.
Also, deaths are not the only measure.
So far there have been no killings since they won. They seem to want international recognition and have said that no American will be killed.
This clearly was a 20 year failed social experiment in nation building. It was never going to end well. Obama should have ended this ten years ago.
Bare knuckles. wrote:
Sopa de SabadelI wrote:
I'd say the western regime has finally ended and Afghanistan will be what it was always meant to be - an islamic state.
I hope USA recalls ALL of it's military back home. Because that's where you defend your home - at home.
Our country is in the greatest risk when we involved ourselves in foreign civil wars to support governments we deem friendly to us. The Taliban is not the terrorists groups Isis nor Al qaeda. We probably are safer now being out of Afghanistan than we were killing Tabilan trying to support our favored government.
This has been a very peaceful transition of government, more peaceful than usually occurs in a civil war. There have been no American nor reported civilian deaths from the Taliban forces. The Afghan people obviously didn't want or believe in the US supported government.
They just got the government that they wanted. The longest war in American history is thankfully over. Thank you Joe and (I hate to say it) Donald.
whatever else you want to say about Taliban takeover today (which was seemingly inevitable now for a few years), they were certainly - indisputably - in league with alQaida when we invaded. That invasion, and the ouster of the Taliban (terrorist) government of the time was absolutely justified.
Clifford Diffley wrote:
Bare knuckles. wrote:
Our country is in the greatest risk when we involved ourselves in foreign civil wars to support governments we deem friendly to us. The Taliban is not the terrorists groups Isis nor Al qaeda. We probably are safer now being out of Afghanistan than we were killing Tabilan trying to support our favored government.
This has been a very peaceful transition of government, more peaceful than usually occurs in a civil war. There have been no American nor reported civilian deaths from the Taliban forces. The Afghan people obviously didn't want or believe in the US supported government.
They just got the government that they wanted. The longest war in American history is thankfully over. Thank you Joe and (I hate to say it) Donald.
whatever else you want to say about Taliban takeover today (which was seemingly inevitable now for a few years), they were certainly - indisputably - in league with alQaida when we invaded. That invasion, and the ouster of the Taliban (terrorist) government of the time was absolutely justified.
We were correct in our initial attack to defeat terrorism but then we got into nation building. Our purpose became muddled and failed and we needed to get out. We can't take over another country and then recreate their government in our image. It just doesn't work.
It was a gutsy move to get out. Biden did what should have been done by Bush, by Obama and by Trump. But no one wanted to get their hands dirty. Joe did what needed to be done.
Reading through this thread I’ve kind of glazed over mentally, reading all of you say the dumb viewpoints from your respective side of today’s argument. I kind of forgot what the thread was actually about, all I gotta say is that it is hilarious how many times I’ve seen the word “Afghanistan” used when referring to an “Afghan”
“This is the government peaceful Afghanistan’s wanted.”
“Don’t pretend to know what the average Afghanistan wants”
You guys are all f u c k i n g clowns
Shallow thinkers make no contribution but only criticize the comments of others.
They also quickly resort to obscenity to supplement their poor ability to articulate a reasonable opinion.