where will hocker finish in cross?

How about, finish your degree, and get a real job instead of wasting everybody's time and money.

if he were going to go pro, it makes zero sense to not do so between the trials and olympics, when eyes are actually on track

announcing going pro in a couple weeks would be ridiculous timing, missing out on the most bang for your buck weeks in the sport from a sponsor's perspective, with no reason for hocker to want to wait until after the olympics

he can get NIL money from wherever he wants as an olympian while continuing to get free college and access to world-class facilities and support system at oregon, while having the coach he wants, great training partners, and having fun competing for team titles with the boys.

duck sauce wrote:

if he were going to go pro, it makes zero sense to not do so between the trials and olympics, when eyes are actually on track

announcing going pro in a couple weeks would be ridiculous timing, missing out on the most bang for your buck weeks in the sport from a sponsor's perspective, with no reason for hocker to want to wait until after the olympics

he can get NIL money from wherever he wants as an olympian while continuing to get free college and access to world-class facilities and support system at oregon, while having the coach he wants, great training partners, and having fun competing for team titles with the boys.

Really, Why? Will his accomplishments fade away? Do the shoe companies stop paying any attention to athletes who compete in the sport? Will the fact that at the age of 20 he made the olympic final and won the Us Oly trials etc. no longer matter in a couple of weeks? Will the earth blow up and life on earth perish in a couple of weeks?

Go away.

It seems almost irrelevant.

duck sauce wrote:

if he were going to go pro, it makes zero sense to not do so between the trials and olympics, when eyes are actually on track

announcing going pro in a couple weeks would be ridiculous timing, missing out on the most bang for your buck weeks in the sport from a sponsor's perspective, with no reason for hocker to want to wait until after the olympics

he can get NIL money from wherever he wants as an olympian while continuing to get free college and access to world-class facilities and support system at oregon, while having the coach he wants, great training partners, and having fun competing for team titles with the boys.

Aren't Pro running deals NIL? What does going pro mean when you are still eligible for the NCAA?

Anything besides the win would probably be disappointment for Hocker. Though I think Cooper could also contend for the title.

duck sauce wrote:

if he were going to go pro, it makes zero sense to not do so between the trials and olympics, when eyes are actually on track

announcing going pro in a couple weeks would be ridiculous timing, missing out on the most bang for your buck weeks in the sport from a sponsor's perspective, with no reason for hocker to want to wait until after the olympics

he can get NIL money from wherever he wants as an olympian while continuing to get free college and access to world-class facilities and support system at oregon, while having the coach he wants, great training partners, and having fun competing for team titles with the boys.

Given that he ran 3:31 and finished ahead of some well known guys I think it was smart to wait until after the Olympics. His value is higher than it was before the games.

I think it depends on if it’s a fast or a tactical race. Wesley Kiptoo likes to take it out at a blistering pace, Conner Mantz likes too push the pace, and there’s always a chance that the NAU guys push the pace like that one year. I think that if it’s fast from the start, given that he’ll have kind of an abbreviated build-up due to the Olympics, he may not win. He’ll still finish in the top ten, but is less likely to win.

However, in a tactical race he blows everyone’s doors off in the last 200m.

It's called redshirting this cross country season.

You have to be kidding me if you think he's running cross country after the long season he just had.

Manbearpig15 wrote:

It's called redshirting this cross country season.

You have to be kidding me if you think he's running cross country after the long season he just had.

Justyn Knight won NCAA’s coming off world championships so it’s not impossible.. Hocker can take his full 2 week break now and wait till nuttycomb or pac 12’a for his season debut.

Manbearpig15 wrote:

It's called redshirting this cross country season.

You have to be kidding me if you think he's running cross country after the long season he just had.

if he's coming back, presumably it's because he's into Oregon and the team. Doubt he's gonna turn down a paycheck then sit the season out.

fkkfkfkfkf wrote:

Aren't Pro running deals NIL? What does going pro mean when you are still eligible for the NCAA?

my understanding is that NIL deals have to be connected to a specific thing like "we use your image in this set of ads and pay you $5000" or "you post an instagram about our company and we pay you $5000"

I think you can't (directly) have time/place bonuses or pay them a salary just for running

fkkfkfkfkf wrote:

duck sauce wrote:

if he were going to go pro, it makes zero sense to not do so between the trials and olympics, when eyes are actually on track

announcing going pro in a couple weeks would be ridiculous timing, missing out on the most bang for your buck weeks in the sport from a sponsor's perspective, with no reason for hocker to want to wait until after the olympics

he can get NIL money from wherever he wants as an olympian while continuing to get free college and access to world-class facilities and support system at oregon, while having the coach he wants, great training partners, and having fun competing for team titles with the boys.

Aren't Pro running deals NIL? What does going pro mean when you are still eligible for the NCAA?

If he runs the NCAA he still won't get drug tested,hence he can improve another 10 seconds in a year again.

duck sauce wrote:

not much time for a buildup, presumably won't race until pac12s

As a fan, what’s your preference- would you like to see him run for tuition and wins for the university, or go pro and make money by running while possibly still working on his degree?

wannabepro25 wrote:

Manbearpig15 wrote:

It's called redshirting this cross country season.

You have to be kidding me if you think he's running cross country after the long season he just had.

Justyn Knight won NCAA’s coming off world championships so it’s not impossible.. Hocker can take his full 2 week break now and wait till nuttycomb or pac 12’a for his season debut.

Gabe Jennings didn't.

Birkoboy wrote:If he runs the NCAA he still won't get drug tested,hence he can improve another 10 seconds in a year again.

This really doesn't deserve a response, but I'm putting this out there in case you were unaware.

The NCAA tests for steroids, peptide hormones and masking agents year-round and also tests for stimulants and recreational drugs during championships. Member schools also may test for these substances as part of their athletics department drug-deterrence programs.

The University of Oregon considers its student athletes as University representatives and has the following policy in place concerning drug testing:

Policy III.07.01

1.3: (3) The program set forth in this policy includes random testing and testing based on reasonable suspicion, educational programs, substance abuse evaluation, treatment and disciplinary measures.

(4) Illicit Substances and Performance Enhancing Drugs are prohibited under this policy.

(a) An Illicit Substance is one that is illegal for the individual student-athlete to ingest, including but not limited to narcotic pain medications that have not been prescribed and street drugs like heroin, methamphetamines, cocaine, marijuana, T.H.C., or “ecstasy.”

(b) A Performance Enhancing Drug is one that gives a student-athlete an unfair advantage. The use of a Performance Enhancing Drug is a form of cheating. The use of such a drug also poses significant health and safety risks for the student-athlete and those in competition with the student-athlete. A current list of Performance Enhancing Drugs will be provided to each student-athlete before the start of the playing season or when the name of the student-athlete is first entered upon the team roster, whichever is later. The term "related compounds" means substances that are included in the class by their pharmacological action or chemical structure. No substance belonging to the prohibited class may be used, regardless of whether it is specifically listed.

(7) Random drug testing. Each student-athlete is subject to unannounced random drug testing throughout the entire calendar year. A student-athlete will be selected for testing using a random number system. Little or no notice may be given for a forthcoming test.

Like the guy above said, “probably not worth a response.” That said, maybe you are just lacking knowledge. Individuals on the World Athletics pool of international athletes are subject to random tests instituted by USADA. Going to college doesn’t just excuse you from WADA and USADA.

duck sauce wrote:

fkkfkfkfkf wrote:

Aren't Pro running deals NIL? What does going pro mean when you are still eligible for the NCAA?

my understanding is that NIL deals have to be connected to a specific thing like "we use your image in this set of ads and pay you $5000" or "you post an instagram about our company and we pay you $5000"

I think you can't (directly) have time/place bonuses or pay them a salary just for running

Yeah having a 50k bonus for winning NCAA probably isn't legal. Or collecting appearance fees. But paying him 5k/week for making an Instagram posts with him wearing your shoes is legal. Or you can pay 100k for a magazine ad. Just need to tweak some details of how he gets paid to follow the rules but you can pay him.

Escalator clauses (win NCAA xc and your ad rate doubles) are off in some very grey zone.

Imimpresssed wrote:

duck sauce wrote:

not much time for a buildup, presumably won't race until pac12s

As a fan, what’s your preference- would you like to see him run for tuition and wins for the university, or go pro and make money by running while possibly still working on his degree?

I'm sure his parents care about Cole's income and education but why would a fan? The professional distance runners seem to rarely compete, so as a fan, I want him to continue competing for U of O.