In retrospect, I wonder if going to Europe after the trials was a mistake. She looked really strong at the trials in hot temps. But she was clearly going for the AR and sub-9 in Monaco then had the fall on the last barrier. I wonder if that affected her somehow. Either just the physical effort or mentally. She just didn't seem the same in Tokyo, even in the semi.
rhimby wrote:
it'll be alright wrote:
"pREtty NiCE PersONliTY" by what standards?
LOL the only thing she has going for her is that she's relatively pretty. Anyone who thinks she has a "pretty nice personality" should watch an interview with her.
i remember watching some training vids with her and she seemed pretty difficult. everyone can act nice for instagram or when things are going well. i actually respect someone like chelimo much more. even if he is a dick he is funny and owns it. much worse when people are fake (not accusing emma of this entirely since i dont know her personally).
te5n1k wrote:
rhimby wrote:
LOL the only thing she has going for her is that she's relatively pretty. Anyone who thinks she has a "pretty nice personality" should watch an interview with her.
i remember watching some training vids with her and she seemed pretty difficult. everyone can act nice for instagram or when things are going well. i actually respect someone like chelimo much more. even if he is a dick he is funny and owns it. much worse when people are fake (not accusing emma of this entirely since i dont know her personally).
Chelimo is hilarious. Just watch this video where Coburn accuses Chepkoech of doping. She clearly has a huge ego, and can't stand anyone else being better than her. She also seems annoyed that Frerichs now has the AR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9L9aGfXpRUvespy wrote:
In retrospect, I wonder if going to Europe after the trials was a mistake. She looked really strong at the trials in hot temps. But she was clearly going for the AR and sub-9 in Monaco then had the fall on the last barrier. I wonder if that affected her somehow. Either just the physical effort or mentally. She just didn't seem the same in Tokyo, even in the semi.
Following up on that, Murphy was another athlete that had a heavy racing schedule in Europe after the trials and he obviously didn't have it today either.
vespy wrote:
vespy wrote:
In retrospect, I wonder if going to Europe after the trials was a mistake. She looked really strong at the trials in hot temps. But she was clearly going for the AR and sub-9 in Monaco then had the fall on the last barrier. I wonder if that affected her somehow. Either just the physical effort or mentally. She just didn't seem the same in Tokyo, even in the semi.
Following up on that, Murphy was another athlete that had a heavy racing schedule in Europe after the trials and he obviously didn't have it today either.
This is a bad take.
We roasted Klecker for staying in Boulder, and running around in a winter cap, rather than heading to somewhere humid. If Murphy, or The Jogger had not gone to Europe and had the same outcome, we would have questioned why they weren't running with the big dogs in Europe heading in to Tokyo.
vespy wrote:
vespy wrote:
In retrospect, I wonder if going to Europe after the trials was a mistake. She looked really strong at the trials in hot temps. But she was clearly going for the AR and sub-9 in Monaco then had the fall on the last barrier. I wonder if that affected her somehow. Either just the physical effort or mentally. She just didn't seem the same in Tokyo, even in the semi.
Following up on that, Murphy was another athlete that had a heavy racing schedule in Europe after the trials and he obviously didn't have it today either.
Athletes have bills to pay and a relatively short time to earn money from racing. Emma raced a lot before her podium finishes at the last OGs and WCs. Steeple really isn't a race that takes that much out of an athlete.
I think these COVID OGs have been a big adjustment for distance runners to come out of such a weird 2020 season with very limited racing and then go to the OGs with just a coach and no family or other support. Grant Fisher and Frerichs were able to rise up to the challenge and run well. But the rest of the US distance squad (so far) has not been able to make the adjustment.
Frerichs pushing a fast pace may have hurt Coburn's chances.
rhimby wrote:
te5n1k wrote:
i remember watching some training vids with her and she seemed pretty difficult. everyone can act nice for instagram or when things are going well. i actually respect someone like chelimo much more. even if he is a dick he is funny and owns it. much worse when people are fake (not accusing emma of this entirely since i dont know her personally).
Chelimo is hilarious. Just watch this video where Coburn accuses Chepkoech of doping. She clearly has a huge ego, and can't stand anyone else being better than her. She also seems annoyed that Frerichs now has the AR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9L9aGfXpRU
I'm sorry but your comment is total BS. I just watched the interview and in no way does she seemed "annoyed" Courtney has the AR. She gave a perfect answer. WTF are you smoking.
tarckstar wrote:
vespy wrote:
Following up on that, Murphy was another athlete that had a heavy racing schedule in Europe after the trials and he obviously didn't have it today either.
This is a bad take.
We roasted Klecker for staying in Boulder, and running around in a winter cap, rather than heading to somewhere humid. If Murphy, or The Jogger had not gone to Europe and had the same outcome, we would have questioned why they weren't running with the big dogs in Europe heading in to Tokyo.
Klecker was never going to be in contention for a medal. He ran about as well as could be expected for the conditions. Coburn and Murphy looked really strong in Eugene and ran like medal contenders, but did not seem to be at that level in Tokyo, for whatever reason.
anyone know how to watch the post race interviews?
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every time i stumble over one of these threads i'm reminded why the average non-runner thinks track geeks are a bunch of jack-offs. hard not to agree.
Coburn is a great runner. Just wasn't her day.
SPNKY wrote:
Yep. She pulled a Biles. Easier to claim self care than admit to yourself that your not competitive in today's challenge whatever it may be.
You are so dumb it hurts
High hopes wrote:
the T in T wrote:
Stop with the excuses. OMG, no camp, how horrible!
Everyone knew the Olympics were being held in Tokyo for the past 5 years, plenty of time to plan time in heat and humidity. That is no excuse.
How is it an excuse? Every country would usually have a holding camp, especially when a champs is held in a different climate and different time zone. Adjusting is difficult even if you're not an athlete looking to perform at your peak. The lack of international competition hasn't helped either, with many US athletes either not used to travelling to compete or at least out of the groove. Trayvon Bromell pinpointed this.
People respond differently and some people just don’t adapt to humidity. I think it was Steve Magness, he tweeted HRM data and run pace from a run at altitude and a run in high humidity and the humid run was higher and slower even though he had been in the humidity for ages and not adjusted to altitude.
There was one year that it was unusually hot and humid at Paul Short, some athletes BOMBED and/or collapsed from heat exhaustion and it wasn’t like entire teams or all the teams from non-humid areas all bombed the same. Some Athletes who are in muggy DC all summer did well, some didn’t.
pooods wrote:
every time i stumble over one of these threads i'm reminded why the average non-runner thinks track geeks are a bunch of jack-offs. hard not to agree.
I think most runners themselves think they're a bunch of jack-offs.
In watching all the events it appears to me the T&F athletes with the most camaraderie, sportsmanship and personality are the field events.
Tell us again about all your Olympic and World Champs achievements??????
pooods wrote:
every time i stumble over one of these threads i'm reminded why the average non-runner thinks track geeks are a bunch of jack-offs. hard not to agree.
I agree.
Harold #1 wrote:
Coburn is a great runner. Just wasn't her day.
She gave a great interview and this is a great article:
https://www.denverpost.com/2021/08/04/emma-coburn-tokyo-olympic-steeplechase-kiszla/Brutally honest and takes ownership of her failure. Gotta love Emma.
Tactical-less wrote:
pooods wrote:
every time i stumble over one of these threads i'm reminded why the average non-runner thinks track geeks are a bunch of jack-offs. hard not to agree.
I think most runners themselves think they're a bunch of jack-offs.
In watching all the events it appears to me the T&F athletes with the most camaraderie, sportsmanship and personality are the field events.
feels very true this olympics sadly though I feel like the 800 women and 400h women have great personalities and relationships
looks like mu and rodgers really have bonded and are friendly with each other which I love to see