How many states would Mu's 800 meter time be the fastest 800 meter for boys and girls this year?

I doubt very many. Maybe some tiny East Coast states and Far West mountain states, Here in CA state champs typically run under 1:50.

Alaska for sure. lmfao!

All 56 states

Yes that is some good perspective. The best women in the world wouldn't score in many states' high school meets. Mu would get beaten by hundreds of high school boys.

btc rules wrote:

Yes that is some good perspective. The best women in the world wouldn't score in many states' high school meets. Mu would get beaten by hundreds of high school boys.

And this is exactly why we need DSD rules.

California State 800m final, 2019 (not held in 2020 or 2021):

Mens 800 Meters Varsity Back to top

Name Yr School Finals H# Pts

1 Wingo, Kai 12 Valencia (Valenc 1:51.71 0 10

2 Gordon, Chase 11 Jesuit 1:51.74 0 8

3 Ratkovich, Mason 12 Loyola 1:52.22 0 6

4 MacQuiddy, Garrett 11 Westmont 1:52.25 0 5

5 Zarate-Sanchez, Juan 12 Davis 1:52.78 0 4

6 Bryson, Armando 12 Wilson (Long Bea 1:52.97 0 3

7 Lester, John 10 Amador Valley 1:52.99 0 2

8 Coleman III, Willie 12 Vista Murrieta 1:53.63 0 1

9 Sornberger, William 12 Northgate 1:53.83 0

10 Prince, Drake 11 High Tech (CV) 1:54.71 0

11 Jackson, Andrew 11 Pleasant Grove 1:54.72 0

12 Alexander, Quinton 12 Vanden 1:55.39 0

13 Rodriguez, Christian 11 Dorsey 1:55.90 0

btc rules wrote:

Yes that is some good perspective. The best women in the world wouldn't score in many states' high school meets. Mu would get beaten by hundreds of high school boys.

But Mu is running these times with less muscle mass than high school boys. Imagine if she bulks up more she'd go sub 1:50 easily.

Vermont State Meet 2019

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'18 Winner: ! 1:57.23 6/2/2018 Jackson Hauman, South Burlin

VT D1 State: @ 1:54.01 5/26/2012 Jacob Ellis, Brattleboro HS

Name Year School Finals H# Points

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Finals

1 Ford, Kent 12 Burlington 1:58.13 2 10

2 Farrington, Henry 11 Essex 2:01.56 2 8

3 Joell, Malik 12 St Johnsbury 2:02.71 2 6

4 Page, Evan 12 Mt Anthony Union 2:03.11 2 4

5 Hatch, Gabriel 10 St Johnsbury 2:03.21 2 2

6 Harvey, Sajan 12 St Johnsbury 2:03.62 2 1

7 Mogielnicki, Alec 12 Champlain Va 2:03.92 2

8 Fogg, Nate 12 Rutland Senior 2:04.42 2

9 Treadwell, Ethan 12 Burlington 2:07.21 2

10 Meek, Alex 9 Essex 2:07.58 1

flvmmox wrote:

Vermont State Meet 2019

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'18 Winner: ! 1:57.23 6/2/2018 Jackson Hauman, South Burlin

VT D1 State: @ 1:54.01 5/26/2012 Jacob Ellis, Brattleboro HS

Name Year School Finals H# Points

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Finals

1 Ford, Kent 12 Burlington 1:58.13 2 10

2 Farrington, Henry 11 Essex 2:01.56 2 8

3 Joell, Malik 12 St Johnsbury 2:02.71 2 6

4 Page, Evan 12 Mt Anthony Union 2:03.11 2 4

5 Hatch, Gabriel 10 St Johnsbury 2:03.21 2 2

6 Harvey, Sajan 12 St Johnsbury 2:03.62 2 1

7 Mogielnicki, Alec 12 Champlain Va 2:03.92 2

8 Fogg, Nate 12 Rutland Senior 2:04.42 2

9 Treadwell, Ethan 12 Burlington 2:07.21 2

10 Meek, Alex 9 Essex 2:07.58 1

Yeah, but that's a very sleepy state.

Apparently you're both unfamiliar w/ the term "typically" and the high school exploits of Michael Granville and many others.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

1:55 is blazing. What are most high school 800 meter best times fall in?

I would guess somewhere around 10 or low teens.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

1:55 is blazing. What are most high school 800 meter best times fall in?

The women’s 800 meter, for a reason I can’t understand, is the event that the world class women don’t stand a chance against the best high schoolers.

For example 14:06 and 29:01 stack up very well on the all time HS 5 and 10 k list. But a 1:55 might win you an average league championship, at least in California, but no chance at a state meet and it wouldn’t get you invited to Arcadia’s Elite Invitational field.

good high school boy > world class woman wrote:

And this is exactly why we need DSD rules.

The rules don't need to be complicated. If a DSD person has come up through the ranks as a woman at the local, regional, state, and national levels, kicking everybody's butt in the process, then obviously they should be allowed to compete at the international level. If a nation suddenly reclassifies half its national track team as women right before the Olympics, then sure, that should be called a foul.

Bear in mind, just because a DSD athlete's body produces testosterone doesn't mean it has the receptors to take full advantage of it. How thrilling it would have been to see these two athletes compete against each other:

2021 Olympic 800M Women's Final: Athing Mu 1:55.22

2016 Olympic 800M Women's Final: Caster Semenya 1:55.28

NJSIAA State Meet Of Champions 2021, Boys 800m Run Finals:

1 Nicholas Medeiros Old Bridge 1:51.83

2 James Kisker Ridge 1:52.20

3 Myles Plummer Union Catholic 1:52.33

4 Marcus Cheema Westwood 1:54.02

5 Domenick Wallace Morris Hills 1:54.51

6 Charles Stock Westfield 1:55.12

7 Owen Marish Collingswood 1:55.168

8 Matthew Cortez Leonia 1:55.32

9 Collin Boler Delbarton School 1:55.87

10 Joshua Thaler Timber Creek 1:56.08

oldoldrunner wrote:

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

1:55 is blazing. What are most high school 800 meter best times fall in?

The women’s 800 meter, for a reason I can’t understand, is the event that the world class women don’t stand a chance against the best high schoolers.

For example 14:06 and 29:01 stack up very well on the all time HS 5 and 10 k list. But a 1:55 might win you an average league championship, at least in California, but no chance at a state meet and it wouldn’t get you invited to Arcadia’s Elite Invitational field.

It's not the 800, it's every event at the mile and faster. Women's 100 meter gold was just won in 10.6, the boy's HS record is now sub-10 and every year there are some boys at 10.2 and faster.

It takes longer to build the endurance required for longer distance.

oldoldrunner wrote:

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

1:55 is blazing. What are most high school 800 meter best times fall in?

The women’s 800 meter, for a reason I can’t understand, is the event that the world class women don’t stand a chance against the best high schoolers.

For example 14:06 and 29:01 stack up very well on the all time HS 5 and 10 k list. But a 1:55 might win you an average league championship, at least in California, but no chance at a state meet and it wouldn’t get you invited to Arcadia’s Elite Invitational field.

Makes sense since most HS boys are not aerobically developed but still have enough conditioning and speed to be dangerous in the 800.

I've seen plenty of Hs. boys run 1:59 but then struggle to break 4:40 and 10:00 in the 16/32.

2018 was even faster and note that 5 are juniors.

1. 12 Jason Gomez 1:50.21a PR Westmont

2. 12 Jett Charvet 1:50.79a PR Heritage (Brentwood)

3. 12 Sam VanDorpe 1:51.07a PR Mater Dei

4. 12 Bobby Poynter 1:51.85a PR California (San Ramon)

5. 11 Juan Zarate-Sanchez 1:52.02a PR Davis

6. 12 Ryan Bush 1:52.06a PR Tesoro

7. 12 Jamie Moreland 1:52.17a PR Campbell Hall

8. 12 Ian Irish 1:52.51a PR Palos Verdes

9. 11 Mason Ratkovich 1:52.67a SR Loyola

10. 12 Tanner Anderson 1:53.04a PR Carlmont

11. 12 Brett Hickman 1:53.55a Mission Viejo

12. 11 Quinton Alexander 1:53.58a Vanden

13. 11 Nixon McKenzie 1:53.75a PR Armijo

14. 11 Aidan Boyle 1:53.96a PR Amador Valley