Warholm on Nike's super spikes: "Bullsh!t" , takes dig at Benjamin

Anyone here seriously believe Warholm and his great rival Benjamin are drug free? You think all the supplements they take is a pre workout and vitamins?

Also the Jamaicans are back dominating again.

highhoppingworm wrote:

fugue state wrote:

False. And yes, you are very confused.

He is wearing a spike with a carbon plate. Please see the post above which provides a very good explanation. Would you like to elaborate or do you just prefer punchy one liners without any real substance?

So just for clarity, there is absolutely no benefit and no energy return to the wearer of a spike with a rigid carbon fiber plate. Is this correct?

Very Nice wrote:

highhoppingworm wrote:

He is wearing a spike with a carbon plate. Please see the post above which provides a very good explanation. Would you like to elaborate or do you just prefer punchy one liners without any real substance?

So just for clarity, there is absolutely no benefit and no energy return to the wearer of a spike with a rigid carbon fiber plate. Is this correct?

When did I say there was no benefit to wearing a shoe with a carbon plate in it? I simply said the Warholm was wearing one as well. You seem to be inserting the word "rigid" in there as though that is a modifier I should be paying attention to. Would you like to elaborate?

I'll just keep saying it until people's brains start working: you don't bounce off the ground when you run. It's not how the mechanics work. That goes especially for sprinting, where you want to stay lower for high turnover.

And now someone tell the guardian about Kevin Young for their record progression chart.

doped guy hates shoes wrote:

Doped up guy hates on shoes.

Lets hope he gets busted.

You must really hate that white superhero busted up your boy?

The spikes don’t ruin track’s credibility. Doped up athletes like Warholm do.

If the internet existed when Bannister first broke 4:00 in the mile, these exact same quotes and threads would exist with people going on and on about super shoes is the only reason he did it.

In fact, every major breakthrough would be attributed to new shoe technology. Can we finally get over it? If you don’t like technology, let’s ban shoes in track and all run barefoot to see who is really fastest.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

The spikes don’t ruin track’s credibility. Doped up athletes like Warholm do.

If the internet existed when Bannister first broke 4:00 in the mile, these exact same quotes and threads would exist with people going on and on about super shoes is the only reason he did it.

In fact, every major breakthrough would be attributed to new shoe technology. Can we finally get over it? If you don’t like technology, let’s ban shoes in track and all run barefoot to see who is really fastest.

I agree with the statement above.

That said, I actually object to the entire premise of the discussion to begin with in the sprints. There has been nothing remarkable about the last few years in the 100/200/400/800. Yes the 400h times have been fast. Are we saying that the Nike sprint spikes only provide benefit in the hurdles? The data literally doesn't support what he is insinuating.

Sopa de SabadelI wrote:

Are Norwegian track athletes just d.i.c.k.s in general?

Ingebrigtsens also make it hard to root for them.

Not trying to directly answer your question, but.

Most of the people who live in Minnesota refer to the Norwegian population living in the North Woods as Jack Pine Savages or Square Heads.

highhoppingworm wrote:

Very Nice wrote:

So just for clarity, there is absolutely no benefit and no energy return to the wearer of a spike with a rigid carbon fiber plate. Is this correct?

When did I say there was no benefit to wearing a shoe with a carbon plate in it? I simply said the Warholm was wearing one as well. You seem to be inserting the word "rigid" in there as though that is a modifier I should be paying attention to. Would you like to elaborate?

Ok. So the spike with the airpod in the front and carbon fiber plate is a super spike, the spike with just a carbon fiber plate is a super spike, and the spike with no carbon fiber plate, but with a special foam and a curved plate that rolls the athlete forward is a super spike.

Nope but u Yanks are 🤣

Weird. Been living in MN for 40 years and this the first I am learning of this.

Guy with a shoe sponsorship says his shoes are good and fair, while the other guy’s shoes are bad and unfair. More at 11.

On a serious note, if Warholm’s spikes aren’t “super spikes” then the term has no meaning. His spike design would not have existed five years ago. He’s welcome to go back to using traditional spikes whenever he wants.

fofc wrote:

Also the Jamaicans are back dominating again.

Why only the ladies?

Very Nice wrote:

highhoppingworm wrote:

He is wearing a spike with a carbon plate. Please see the post above which provides a very good explanation. Would you like to elaborate or do you just prefer punchy one liners without any real substance?

So just for clarity, there is absolutely no benefit and no energy return to the wearer of a spike with a rigid carbon fiber plate. Is this correct?

As opposed to the exact same rigid carbon fiber/carbon fiber reinfroced plates used in the industry forever?

Quick question - what exactly do you think sprinters were wearing the last, I dunno, 25 years? Did you think they were wearing socks with spikes attached to them? This talk of "rigid carbon fiber" as if it's new is BEYOND hilarious. The talk of "stiff" or "rigid" plates as if they are new or innovative shows really how little the general population of running followers know about product.

Most brands use a PA12 nylon with carbon chip reinforcement because it's easier to manufacture shapes/traction elements and the spike receptacle housing onto them. Go google "adidas prime SP carbon nanotubes" - adidas did this back in 2012 for Christ's sake.

Is that enough "clarity" or you just want to keep believing whatever it is you've made up to pedal your narrative?

Where can i get a pair of warholm's not so super spikes and some of his not so super vitamins? I know he's all natural I just want some of whatever legal supplement he is taking. And I'm not mad about it I just want some too.

doped guy hates shoes wrote:

Weird. Been living in MN for 40 years and this the first I am learning of this.

I've probably spent close to 6 months 1 or 2 weeks at a time up in Superior National Forrest canoeing in the Boundary Waters and fishing on a lake and resort I will leave unnamed.

During my time there I've crossed paths with Minn. citizens from the southern part of the state whom I learned those terms from.

And those northern residents don't have many good words to say about the Natives. When I heard some disparaging words towards the Indians, I ask them curiously why? They knew I was from Illinois and retorted we feel the same about them as you feel about ----ers. I was gob smacked by that reply because I never use that word out loud. So I guess it depends were you live. Equal opportunity offenders exists everywhere.

You obviously never competed beyond your racist little bubble. It's a big world out there, with people from all backgrounds and walks of life. They learn about each other and in many cases their lives are enhanced by learning about each other's cultures and history. Unfortunately you have not evolved past 8chan and you could not hold a candle to the likes of Rai Benjamin. He's had more success in life in one day than you would ever have in ten lifetimes. So crawl back to your parents basement or Cro-Magnon cave and pop off or jerk off with other racist dick weeds.

BLMers everywhere wrote:

doped guy hates shoes wrote:

Doped up guy hates on shoes.

Lets hope he gets busted.

You must really hate that white superhero busted up your boy?

highhoppingworm wrote:

fugue state wrote:

False. And yes, you are very confused.

He is wearing a spike with a carbon plate. Please see the post above which provides a very good explanation. Would you like to elaborate or do you just prefer punchy one liners without any real substance?

I prefer the short answer, as I believe anything else will be wasted time. Most that post here (on any subject) are convinced that they are experts. Ironically, their opinions come from pseudo facts that they have usually read here. Those opinions do not change no matter the authority cited or facts presented. Though, there are exceptions. SalStitch, as usual, provides succinct and calculated information from his bat cave in Portland. However, I can also give you some “substance” as you asked for.

As discussed by Sal above, if having a carbon plate is what creates a “super spike” in your view, then yes, that’s what they are. End of story. But then so would the zoom victory given to pros from 2007 on (if preferred) also be considered a “super shoe”. And so would one of Jeremy wariner’s modified spikes for Athens dating back to 2004 (2002 prototype). Just because there’s a new spike created to compete with the Dragonfly or 2019 Victory does not make it a super spike, in my opinion. Again, I suppose it depends according to your personal definition of a nebulous term. Would the jasari have been thought of as a super spike with its completely different design snd components? Excluding the carbon infused upper, warholm’s spike with its carbon plate and titanium pins is not revolutionary. You will get many answers from people that think they know what they are talking about, but the overwhelming majority of them are not close to the source. The benefit from a “super shoe” comes from the foam as demonstrated in the physiologic efficiency studies done both by Nike and independently- not to do with a carbon plate. Certainly, stiffness is important for some people as by the rigidity created, but that is not the cause for increased efficiency or technological enhanced performance. Physicists can argue until out of breath, but even the shape of the plate has also not demonstrated a statistically significant difference. Even the air has once already been present in a Nike spike dating to 1986-ish. You’re welcome to ask Tom Carlio, Chris Cooks, Stephen Keating, Elliot Heath, or Nick Roche for whatever your preferred spike brand flavour du juor might be for more in depth analysis on both testing of shoes and their actual construction differences. For older historical information on this, Jonny Truax would be your preferred source.

Again, it depends on your definition of what comprises a “super shoe”. There is mostly nothing new under the sun.

Excuse typos. English is not my preferred language of discussion.

Sounds racist to me.