The 2 fastest guys in the games ran the hurdles, not the 400. That makes the 400 soft. Maybe they dont break the record, but I sure would love to drop those two into the final. I predict about 43.25 for both.
The 2 fastest guys in the games ran the hurdles, not the 400. That makes the 400 soft. Maybe they dont break the record, but I sure would love to drop those two into the final. I predict about 43.25 for both.
Your wish will come through, Norwegian media confirmed that Warholm will run 400m flat in Lausanne 26 August.
[quote]Bad Wigins wrote:
how can 43.03 be soft when 400 flat is the event literally every runner does?
Even if you end up a marathoner, if you have any speed at all you're gonna run some 400s in high school at least. More depth than any other event.
It's 400 hurdles that lacks depth, often starting with whoever isn't good enough for the flats. These guys are good enough for the flats but chose hurdles anyway. And you see WR's obliterated by nearly a second, there's no question where the softness was.[quote]
^^^That’s a hot take.
Generally the 400h is for B level sprinters that can’t hang in the flat 400. Once the A level talent starts going to the hurdles we’ll see records smashed.
We see this with American distance runners. If you can’t hang in the 800/1500 the slower people move to the 5k/10k and if you aren’t doing that you go to the steeple.
With Ethiopians and Kenyans they generally go 5k/10k and if you can’t hang with that you move down.
Here’s the link to Norwegian news confirming Lausanne. Google can translate that for you.
https://www.nettavisen.no/sport/warholm-loper-400-meter-flatt-i-diamond-league/s/12-95-3424163268
Even he is curious what he can do. Karsten runs all out even without great competition. Being pushed by Rai in this race brought out the best in him. Will be great to see him in the flat. I don’t think he’ll be close to the WR there but maybe high 43. I think he’ll need more prep for the flat 400 to be ready to go 42.
Anyone running 44.xx in a 400M final should now hang their heads in shame. A man just ran 45.xx while jumping over 10 hurdles.
It is the flat 400M that is soft.
To go sub 43 a runner needs to run about 10.7s for each 100M segment of the race.
10.7s * 4 = 42.8s.
Who will step up?
The 400mH record stood 28 years. It wasn't soft. It was among the toughest out there. But it was being approached frequently in the years preceding this one, by three athletes, Samba, Benjamin, and Warholm. When they started running low 47s and sub-47s, it was bound to go. It has now been absolutely obliterated. 45.94 is an astonishing time. Benjamin ran sub 46.2 for silver. Santos ran 46.72, .06 under Young's record. One measure of how soft a record is how many performances there are within a half second or second, or comparable at other distances.
Men's 400m:
WR 43.03
11 performances within 0.5 seconds
91 performances within 1.0 second
Men's 400mH
WR 45.94
1 performance within 0.5 seconds
7 performances within 1 second (three by Warholm, 4 by others (Benjamin, Young, dos Santos)
Men's 800m
WR 1:40.91
14 Performances within 1 second
89 Performances within 2 seconds
Very similar to the 400m in range
Men's 100m
WR 9.58
4 Performances within 1/8 of a second (1/4 of the 0.5 s for the 400m), two by Bolt
68 performances within 1/4 of a second (1/4 of the 1 s for the 400m)
Very tough record, but not quite as deep for the 1/4 s range as the 400m or 800m, and a lot of dopers in the list
Men's 200m
WR 19.19
5 performances within 1/4 of a second (1/2 of the 0.5 s for 400m), three by Bolt
32 performances within 1/2 of a second, 13 of them by Bolt
Bolt totally dominates the 100m and 200m lists, even more than I thought, as I perceived him as not competing as frequently, especially as he aged, but he does dominate. The 100m and 200m are the closest things to the 400mH in terms of how hard the records are relative to the competition in the event. It might well be that numerous sub-44 guys could have held this record, but relative to the event, it is as good as any other record.
Didn't Niekirk tear his ACL and meniscus playing rugby? That is not an injury from pushing himself to the limit but simply from being stupid. Unless you're saying the fame he got from his record resulted in him playing in that rugby game. Then maybe the aftermath of his record resulted in his injury.
JumpsDoctor wrote:
.... It is very likely that this is the greatest world record set in track and field...
I think Bob Beamon's 29'2.5" long jump in 1968 is the greatest, adding almost 2 feet to the WR. Nobody else even jumped 28' for 12 years, i.e. everyone else was more than 4% shorter for 12 years. Rai Benjamin was just 1/2% (0.23 sec) behind Warholm last night. I predict Warholm's WR will not stand for 23 years like Beamon's did. Beamon's jump is still the OR 53 years later, and still second-best wind-legal ever.
twice a runner wrote:
Less than three seconds to cover all the hurdles in comparison to WVN’s 400m open record makes the 400m appear soft in comparison.
Agreed.
WVN goes out crazy hard, gets in that step sequence, and has to stick with it. Nearly every 400 goes out sedate, and some pick it up at maybe 175.
InspectorCrusoe wrote:
Anyone running 44.xx in a 400M final should now hang their heads in shame. A man just ran 45.xx while jumping over 10 hurdles.
It is the flat 400M that is soft.
To go sub 43 a runner needs to run about 10.7s for each 100M segment of the race.
10.7s * 4 = 42.8s.
Who will step up?
Rai is a 44.2-4 runner warholm slightly slower, but he is the better hurdler, warholm has said he has maxed out on speed and was working on strength the majority of this difference was that last 100m, which is important in the hurdles but you need more endurance for 400mh than 400m it's not likley he shaves over a second of his pb.
Most people dont realize the 400m is the side event to the 100m and the 400mh is the side event to the 400m.
In order of competition
100
400
200
100mh
400mh
43.03 for 400m isn't soft.
T&F utility man (200-3000)m wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
how can 43.03 be soft when 400 flat is the event literally every runner does?
Even if you end up a marathoner, if you have any speed at all you're gonna run some 400s in high school at least. More depth than any other event.
It's 400 hurdles that lacks depth, often starting with whoever isn't good enough for the flats. These guys are good enough for the flats but chose hurdles anyway. And you see WR's obliterated by nearly a second, there's no question where the softness was.
I do not disagree with you that most T&F athletes race or have raced 400m but the path to 400mH athlete usually is from 100m hurdles for females or from 110m hurdles for males. Most 400m athletes who leave the event either quit T&F or usually race 200m or 800m. Just like most less than successful 100 yard freestyle swimmers or less than successful 100m swimmers do not chose to swim 100 yard or 100m butterfly.
agreed.
if usain bolt was a hard worker, he could have probably run under 43 seconds in the 400m. i realize this is hypothetical, but he started in the event and didn't like the training or the pain (i think he ran 45 seconds as a teen?). But with his long legs, 200m skill, and background in the event, you have to at least entertain the notion that he would a great candidate for fast 400m running. Plus he loves soccer playing soccer so I imagine there is enough aerobic capacity in there somewhere.
just didn't line up, and is probably that way for a lot of runners as you pointed out.
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