Cranny and schweizer

Wise Old Man wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

I think they actually ran well. 14:55 at 85 degrees and 90% humidity is worth well faster. Probably not a PR effort for Schweizer but certainly the best 5000 Cranny has ever run all things considered. She can probably go 14:30 low later this year if she chases it in good conditions.

So an existential question for nearly all American distance runners....what's the point? If your best is so far off a global medal, and you have no chance of every closing the talent gap, why bother? There are probably easier ways to earn a living.

What a stupid question. So if you’re not going to be the absolute best in the world at something you should just give up on it?

Wise Old Man wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

I think they actually ran well. 14:55 at 85 degrees and 90% humidity is worth well faster. Probably not a PR effort for Schweizer but certainly the best 5000 Cranny has ever run all things considered. She can probably go 14:30 low later this year if she chases it in good conditions.

So an existential question for nearly all American distance runners....what's the point? If your best is so far off a global medal, and you have no chance of every closing the talent gap, why bother? There are probably easier ways to earn a living.

So anyone who isn't a medal contender should quit? If that was the case, there would be 5 or6 athletes in each final. Getting paid to do something you love isn't enough for you?

SPNKY wrote:

Problem is is that they were not racing. They were running but were never a part of the 5k race.

If you were ever a competitive runner, you would know that weather is a huge factor. They each performed in line with their performances in ideal conditions- considering the effect of today’s weather.

You prob know that but you have an agenda of trolling BTC for some reason.

You aren’t influencing people who know the sport. Maybe you can influence some high schoolers or first time visitors. Happy trolling to you.

MI Strong wrote:

They did run well in an Olympic final.

They were in it as long as they could.

One PR’d and one was close to her PR in not ideal conditions.

Women in the last couple of years have been getting a taste of international competition that the men have had for many years.

Most that post would give their eye teeth to be a professional runner for a few years of their life and make it to an Olympic final.

They ran fine, but I was a little disappointed they had such trouble with the pace. Not being able to kick faster than 63-65 the last lap would've been totally understandable, but there were less credentialed athletes from Israel, Japan and Italy who ran more competitively keeping with the pace and not falling so far off the leaders. It wasn't like they tossed in 65-67 seconds laps, they were just slightly faster laps here and there, but they were dropping without resistance. I think you have to say they didn't deal as well with the heat as the aforementioned athletes or Grant in the 10,000. These two also looked much worse than Sisson in the hot 10,000 at USAs, so I just don't think they could handle the hot conditions as well as some.

AlSal and Pete Jullian have proven the "closed door" racing policy of Shalane and Jerry to be wrong. Gwen, Colleen and Hughes have expressed relief after leaving , and Centro copes with BTC by not training with team. CBC and BBC on air team hint at Stafford returning to train with Laura when Covid cools down in the UK.

Ah, I missed this. Thanks for sharing.

I don't think this explanation from the AIU is sufficient. They say there were "unique circumstances." Does that mean that any athlete can avoid the PR fallout of a provisional suspension by claiming contamination?

What's the deal with the *five month* timeline from positive result to formal charge? That does not make sense either. Houlihan's attorney claims they tried to get AIU to charge earlier so they could expedite the appeals process. Why did this take five months? Houlihan's camp seems to blame AIU while AIU appears to blame Houlihan's camp or the process for contamination cases more broadly.

It doesn't make much sense that AIU would play along as if this were a "no fault"/contamination case, only for Houlihan to decide to gamble with a CAS appeal, forgoing the AIU's own process. Did Houlihan have reason to believe that AIU bought the contamination defense?

I'm sure that CAS doesn't feel much urgency now that the Olympics are underway, but we really do need to see the full CAS report on Houlihan's case. There are so many pieces that don't add up.

exactly. a 14:55 in those conditions is easily 14:40 or so, maybe faster, in good weather.

Manbearpig15 wrote:

It's the heat and humidity. If you're not ready for it, it will totally compromise a race.

My kids just ran at the junior olympics in Florida and they struggled in their 3000m races. I didn't have them run in any overly hot and humidity conditions leading up to this meet.

It looks like the American pros probably spent too much time at altitude or running in cooler weather when they should have been in Florida or Texas getting some heat specific training in.

Exactly.

I've lived a third of my life in Florida, a third in Montana, and a third in the desert east of Los Angeles. Portland (and Boulder most of the year) are not preparing our runners for anything.

Listen I started this thread and will elaborate. I did not expect either to medal but I expected them to be around with 600m to go. The pace was pedestrian (sorry it was, I don’t care about the heat) and they should have race better.

I think they are both awesome but I expected more and I bet both of them did to. I just thought they were much less than expected today. I did not think they competed in the middle and I don’t think either of them really raced to try to accomplish anything. It was tentative and just less than expected. That’s all. Doesn’t mean they won’t be better in the figure just today’s effort was EH.

not everything wrote:

douglas burke wrote:

Anyways it does not make sense, Schweizer runs 14:26 in a low key meet, and is struggling when the pace is about 15:00 minute pace in the meet everyone is supposed to be peaked for.

yeah it also didn’t make sense that Tsegay ran 14:13 in a random meet in June, but struggled to close and only ran a 14:38 today in the meet she was supposed to be peaking for.

The dewpoint was 77. What don’t you guys understand? You’re being obtuse for the sake of being a contrarian.

flyingfrog wrote:

Realistically the only way to stand on the podium is to dope and the US anti-doping guys would have to look the other way or help their athletes avoid proper testing like they do in small island countries.

Really they just need more divisions. Clean division, Doped division, Intersexed/trans/ division. Imagine the possibilities for marketing. Dopers division brought to you by Dow Chemicals. And the trans division brought to you by Skittles - taste the rainbow.

Agreed.

I'd likely be more at peace with the results and it'd be more fun to watch athletes running unfathomable times and jumping wild distances. Plus, science would probably learn lot from how much an athlete's body can withstand to get certain results, avoid medical conditions, or even death etc.

Kind of makes athletes even more (than they already are) like livestock or gladiators simply for our entertainment.

surprise, they arent as special as we white people thought

RunRaider wrote:

I don't think this explanation from the AIU is sufficient. They say there were "unique circumstances." Does that mean that any athlete can avoid the PR fallout of a provisional suspension by claiming contamination?

Agreed. Contamination can't really be the reason here, as that claim happens a lot, yet AIU still published those provisional suspensions (which is still their official policy). The only possible reason I see is that Nike might have thrown so much $$$/lawyer power/etc. around that AIU caved. I hope it wasn't outright corruption.

As for the five months: that is not unusual. See here for more examples of how lengthy these processes are:

Another question is how Nike got to CAS so quickly. Or, why McNeal was allowed to compete while banned. Policies seem to be changing these days, or rather, various exceptions are being made.

I thought if the weather was like this Jerry just changed the race until later.

You wonder why everyone loves gymnastics and swimming? We win stuff there.

Track & Field? What we're doing clearly is not working.

I'm going to contact Trump about this. Seriously.

Schweizer's PR at 18 was 17:51. Most of the women who beat her had run 14:30 by that age. And you guys aren't impressed?

joe runs wrote:

Schweizer's PR at 18 was 17:51. Most of the women who beat her had run 14:30 by that age. And you guys aren't impressed?

She is one of the most obvious dopers of all.

My assumption re: McNeal has been that USATF invented a loophole for athletes pursuing an appeal that was designed to benefit Houlihan but actually benefitted McNeal.

Like Des Linden at Boston